brown shogun classic: 2021-2023

date stack
date stack i will implement going forward

key differences from earlier will be
- framing interactions and dates with girls as a value-exchange rather than trying to push my way into trying to get laid
- emotional connection rather than boring chat
- not being obnoxious and trying to strategically pull at all costs, assuming the girl wants to see me for a second date even if she doesn't pull on the first

digital/chatting addiction
been going through @september 's addiction recovery notes as he's been able to kick many habits through the easyway/rational recovery method. going to start with reading this note he wrote and adapting it to my own situation.

this has been repeatedly been my achilles heel for my slow pace at accomplishing goals and being inconsistent with many things such as the gym and other hustle i need to be doing. most of the hustle i do tends to be just things i'm "motivated" to do, but the universe doesn't care about how "motivated" you are

going to give you guys an update with my own notes by next sunday sep 7.

first bumble date ever lol (mini-milestone because i previously never got a single message from the app before my new pics. volume is still low tho).


In the interest of "providing value to girls" I thought of an experimental date idea where rather than just some drinks or tacos, I take the girl to a farmers market, make her curry at my place, and go from there. I hate having bullshit conversation and have no idea how to do that overly sexual dialogue style yet (could be learned tbh), and I think I would project my vibe better doing something I would already enjoy and showcasing more "practical" value than just autistically showcasing my music.

Obvious downside of this type of date is 2-3 hours long instead of 20-60 minutes, but upside of being "unique", I can get the vibe of the girl better, and she can see how I act towards other people. Plus there is way more time to get the girl to open up to me, and I literally don't have to pull. I also have food for myself later too.

The Rice and the Pool Noodle
We meet at the grocery store below my apartment.

She has huge bazonkers . I stg she has F cups. and short pink hair and red eyeshadow or something. But huge bazonkers .

We start heading up to the parking garage floor with my car.

But I forgot to start soaking the rice

I tell the girl we need to go to my unit real quick so I can soak the rice before we leave. Joked about how she's going to tell her friends later that "omg I met this guy and we immediately went to his place after 2 minutes after saying something about rice it was so weirdddd" and she giggled.

Then some guy knocks on the door while we are at my place.

He dropped his pool noodle onto my balcony ledge

these crazy ass mfers partying at 3:45 on a tuesday

ok if i die right now tell my mom i love her
hehehe ok

Jumped over the railing, walked over the ledge, and handed him his dumbass pool noodle.

Then we were off to the farmers market.

The Farmers Market
Chatted in the car, trying to probe the girl about what topic she would open up to as per my date stack . I think I kept stalling at the specific details of what she likes/does and couldn't figure out the "emotional connection" part still because I'm a robot and need the mirror neuron hardware update. Will actually read this before I go on my next date.

Regardless, the girl was very feminine and had a super girly voice which was great. Had accidentally

Headed over to the market and I bought heirloom tomatoes, giant! garlic, chicken thighs, and shishito peppers which are not spicy but I'm making curry for an American so it's okay. They have a decent smoky flavor though.

Then I bought us bubble teas at a stand.

Since I literally have no plates (ok I have one now.........maybe...................) we headed over to Wal-Mart.

En route, I tried to get the girl to talk about her first job and crazy stories there, and also some of her past relationship stories.

The Curry
I had her chop the onions, tomatoes, and chicken while mansplaining and ranting about random cooking tips, like how to hold a knife properly, how moms never measure anything (although now I never measure anything either so I'm a mom now I guess), and how to properly cook rice.

Here's how to properly cook rice btw:
0. Make sure you have washed and soaked! the rice for an hour already. To wash rice, pour some water into a bowl of uncooked rice, use your hands to mix it up, and dump out the cloudy water. Repeat 2-3x until the water isn't cloudy anymore.
1. Get water to boil in a pot with some salt and a tiny bit of coconut oil or ghee.
2. Put in the washed and soaked! rice
3. The water's temperature will reduce so the water won't be boiling anymore, but it will get up to a boil again
4. Wait a few minutes and "test" one of the rice kernels by taking one out of the boiling water and biting into it. If it has a white "dot" inside, it's not cooked. Cook until you see no white "dot" inside the rice kernels
5. Turn off the stove, cover the lid and drain out all the water
6. Put a spoon of ghee onto the rice, mix it, cover the rice and let it steam for 5-10 minutes.

I'll be honest, while she was in the kitchen I wanted to slap her ass and start doing mild escalation but I actually didn't have the balls to. This was an obvious opportunity to do it. Not sure if it's necessary to do it anyway, but I was mainly nervous about whether it would decrease or increase my chances of a lay in the bedroom, or if it has no effect. So I ended up just status quo-ing eghhhhh probably someone can give me advice.

Did I mention how she has bazonkers

Then we sat next to each other on the sofa and ate the curry, and she ate it faster than I did.

i take that as a sign that you liked the curry
hehe

The Bedroom
Pretty much immediately pulled to the bedroom with "have you tried mango cream liqueur", which I had deliberately stowed in the bedroom ahead of time. Mainly so Troy and his girls don't steal it lolz!!!!! Might actually start having an actual alcohol setup in my room going forward.

I had bought the mango cream liqueur because I'm Indian, but I'd never tried it. Poured us small amounts to try...

it tasted like soap!

fucking GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we're going to stick with coconut rum...

Standard escalation from here where I show her 2 of my songs, then threw on maxwell - urban hang suite to begin the makeout, which I got. She was already leaning into me before a little bit.

We makeout for maybe a few minutes when she suddenly gets up and sits up completely.

uhhhhhhh

I pretty much stay lying down and non-react. We look at each other for an eternity (ok like 30-60 seconds) and then I grab her arm and tell her to lie down again with me.

Cuddle, go for makeout again. Start feeling her up a little bit. She gets up and sits again .

are u ok...
yeah
come lay down

Many rounds of this. I progressively tried to touch her in more and more sensitive areas but repeatedly got my hand batted away from her breasts/pussy region. Additionally I would move her hand over my chest, onto my bare chest (I had unbuttoned my shirt at some point), and she would enjoy it, play with my necklace, feel my chest etc, but would instantly pull back and resist when I tried to move her hand over my crotch area. Eventually she would randomly sit up again and stare at me, I would get her to lay down again, and then she would enthusiastically cuddle and nuzzle, only to repeat.

while cuddling and stroking her hair
are u ok...
yeah
are u worried we are going too fast
....yeah
well i'm a man and you are very cute. so this is what i do

One more round of the makeout + get up, but now I'm just irritated so I'm just like FUCK THIS and aggressively grab her leg and put her on top of me.

Now, to my mild surprise, she positions herself more comfortably and starts dry humping me cowgirl while continuing to make out with me. I am diamond hard!

Finally, I pull her slut strapless top down and expose the BAZONKERS .

Start to squeeze and suck on them and also making out with her.

After maybe 2-3 minutes of that she "pats my chest" and gets up, pulls her top back up. Gets off the bed and stands and says

I think I'm going to go now
ok

ok in retrospect maybe i should have attempted to pull her pants down or told her to take off her bra (I had just pulled her breasts out but she never actually took her top/bra off.

Anyway, now she just blankly stares in the room and looks around for like a whole minute while I sit in bed and do nothing.

how about you stay for 30 more minutes

So she comes back on the bed.

I'm thinking, FUCK i am not about to get blueballed after what just happened.

Decide to future project the second date while we cuddle with a lil arcade skeeball-bowling alley.

omg!!! i love that place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This time I get a makeout and I start to unbutton my jeans.

Then I move her hand over my underwear with my hard cock.

She doesn't pull back this time and starts caressing my cock and playing with my balls with zero guidance from me other than putting her hand there. Yeah, exactly.

I try to put her hand down my pants, but she immediately completely disengages.

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIME TO WHIP IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I expose my bare cock and start jerking off.

Then I start playing with her bazonkers , including moving her strapless top down, without kissing her.

She complies, so I start making out with her again.

Then I move her hand over my bare cock and she starts jerking it.

I have to teach her how to do the rhythm I want using my handjob tutorial and now it's good.

Then I pull back

suck my dick
...n...no??? <-- the nuance here was she was trying to be like "bad bitch" sassy but ended up just coming off really nervous so that was kind of cute actually

Disengage and relax for a second. Get everything going again with the breast fondling, her stroking my cock, and making out. This time I decide, ok fuck it time to explode.

I guide her with the proper rhythm and intensity again and let her go off to the races.

And then explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all over my chest.

I quit everything immediately, pull her strapless top back up, pull up my pants, clean my chest with toilet paper, button my jeans and shirt.

ok you said you had to go right
yeah

So I walked her out to her car. Started bringing up the second date idea again while walking and how I'll beat her score, etc.

She didn't give me the "i'll find my car by myself" spiel at the bottom of the stairs, ok good sign.

Walked her to her car and then kissed goodbye.

ok that's it





did i mention she had bazonkers btw


update: story continued here viewtopic.php?p=42513#p42513

the time has come

this is a new era

mother nature,

you've tested us browns for far too long

you've decided we're the dogs of humanity




and our response is:




THE UNIVERSE SAID WE ARE DOGS SO WE SHALL WORK LIKE DOGS

we know, literally everyone we see start at the same time we do blast off immediately

we know, there's the guy girls immediately go up to no context "i wanna have sex with you!!!!"

we know, even the guys who go to a foreign country who have girls just throwing themselves at them, crying when they can't meet in person, asking to come soon, asking if they can stay again

you said that's not for us, we won't get that

you just give us the girls who don't want to do anything as a consolation prize

BUT WE'RE THE BROWNS

WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK THAT YOU DON'T GIVE US ANYTHING

WE FUCKING LIKE IT

WE FUCKING LIKE GETTING NOTHING

YOU SAID WE ARE DOGS. WE WILL WORK LIKE DOGS

WE ALREADY WON BROWN VS THE BOARD OF EDUCATION

NOW IT'S BROWN VS THE WORLD

BRING IT MOTHER NATURE

STOP FUCKING TEASING US.

"oh yes, here's your little hot cheerleader, oh yes here's your giant girl" *pats on the head and smiles*

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE WANT THE BIMBOS

WE WANT THE HOES

WE WANT EM ALL

NO CONSOLATION PRIZES

GIVE US THE REAL THING

MOTHER NATURE YOU BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE WILL MILK YOUR FUCKING MOMMY MILKERS UNTIL THEY BLEEEEEEEEEED

IT'S BROWN VS THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Wednesday Night Date


Last night I met up with a 24yo Colombian-adopted chick for drinks. I had arranged this date before I had decided to do experimental date ideas.

This girl was very enthusiastic over text and even had randomly texted "hey how are you doing?" a few days before the date. Also, I had done more investment over texting like how @Mimbe393939 does, so I'm like an actual real person and not just another tinder number.

I tried to follow this date stack i had created for figuring out emotional connection instead of being a soulless robot running code.

holy shit that was fucking exhausting

I had set up the conversation in a way that got her to talk about her passion for children, as she is a primary school teacher.

I actually let the date last around ~45 minutes which is longer than I usually go just to really make sure we went deep. The main takeaway I got was that she likes interacting with children because they are "honest and pure", and I chimed in with my own experiences with kids here and there, and agreed, etc.

I go for the standard "let's listen to my music at my place" pull and she agreed. We went to my room and I sat on my bed with my laptop.

but she's like i'll just sit on this chair here

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i told her she can sit on the bed but she declined so i was like uhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok we will roll with this (because my chair is a rolling chair).

Played 2 of my songs, then turned on bossa nova because I had talked about that with her (she's a latin dancer, but somehow didn't know about that).

I told her to sit on my bed again and she said she's ok. ffffff ok. In retrospect, rather than telling her to sit on my bed again, I probably should have just gone for the makeout even though she wasn't on my bed, but the whole "oh im not going to sit on your bed i will sit on this chair" thing threw me out of my zone. dumb excuse i know FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I told her to show me some salsa music, but she was like "oh...i dont know any of the names....i just dance to it" wtf???????? uh um ok.

I am literally restraining myself as much as possible, like never before.

I end up bailing on the pull after another song like "ok let's walk around outside" in an attempt to show her the second date place and chill.

So we leave and we walk around for like 2ish minutes before she decides "hey i actually gotta go home, i have to wake up early for school" so im like ok.

I walk her to her car and make some forced chat and then we hug goodbye.

I come back and I have a fucking headache from trying to "emotionally connect" with a girl lmfao

Get a good debrief from Troy and rant in my group chats for a bit and that's it


Takeaways
Lots to unpack here. With this specific date there are a lot of obvious things I could have done to be more direct and screen at my place
- try to kiss her even though she's sitting on my chair
- get her to dance with me in the room by just getting up and taking her hand (i had soft-asked her which is lame af. thats like asking a girl "hey do u want to kiss" who does that)
- maybe next time have 2 chairs so i can babystep the bed thing more and i can just get the makeout while we're sitting down on the chairs, rather than going straight to bed
- maybe babystepping going to my bedroom by showing her the balcony and chilling in the common area for a bit

But there are a lot of general things I am not doing that would be effective
- making sure i do touches during the date. i'm honestly pretty inconsistent with touches during dates, i do it sometimes but sometimes i don't. i think i need to explicitly add it to my date stack
- building sexual tension, or for that matter any kind of tension during the date. @pancakemouse and others have given me plenty of resources to dig into this and so why i haven't bothered looking into it seriously is beyond me. fuckin retard LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had written this set of notes while talking to Troy:
the girl must know you want sex -> but telling a girl "i want sex" does not communicate that
ok...how do you effectively communicate wanting sex to a girl then...

the girl needs to be turned on to want sex (logically too, not just "soaked") -> you need to do small steps to show her that you want to have sex
^ see this date+pull report where i turned on the girl "primally" and she was soaked! but she was repeatedly objecting me and i didn't get past some unenthusiastic handjob: viewtopic.php?p=38751#p38751
ok...but what are the small steps...and you often get rejected on the small steps too... -> non react on the rejections (i've done that before, but it's good to mention)

And in general, the mindset with dates is really: the male is the performer, and the female is the audience. The female, and for that matter the universe, doesn't care how much you're "cognitively overloading" yourself and trying to make shit happen, just like how when I go to a movie, I don't fucking care about the millions of dollars spent, hundreds of hours of acting rehearsals, video effects, and editing that went into the movie, I just care about the movie being good. So the girl is going to be more perceptive of everything you're doing because she just has to show up to the date and do literally nothing except worry about "omg is this guy going to kidnap me xDDDDDDDDD i'm so scaredddddd!!!!!"

July-August 2022 online stat breakdown
I won't count my luck of the draw first two Tinder lays because I wasn't actually hustling yet, I literally was playing "sit on the toilet and passively use tinder" game.

So I've gotten around 200-240 matches, 22 dates arranged, 8 dates showed, 6 pulls/straight to crib, 5 makeouts, 3 hjs, and 1 lay (on date 4)

pretty abysmal stats.

Here are the points to improve:
- high flake rate (over 60%!) -> improved text game that involves also investing and getting the girl to not only open up, but also you have to open up to her. case study @Mimbe393939 has had only a 10% flake rate during his 7 lays in 3 weeks spree (9 shows from 10 arranged!)
- pulls/escalation -> my pull rate is actually very high, and i think it's because i talk about being a musician in nashville, and then use "let's listen to my music" to pull, so it's a mild DHV rather than a generic "let's watch movies" pull. however, my music is very cute and bouncy and most fatally, not sexual (i was already aware of this, and that's also why i switch to other music for actually escalating). although i might be able to ditch this cheat pull by doing more "activity" first dates like going to the farmers market and cooking curry, where i don't even have to pull. additionally, all the crap above about no screening and tension done by me

Retrospection
ok i dont want people in the replies being like "omg colgate-sama, give urself credit, ur so great man! u have come a long way! ^o^". like yeah that's true. i can acknowledge that.

a year ago, i was a total virgin with only 2 makeouts in my life. my problem and goal then was literally getting laid once . and that took me forever partially due to my own initial lack of experience and "base stats", and partially due to making a lot of mistakes regarding my strategies. hell, i'd only been on literally 2 dates at that point, both thanks to kyil.

now my problems have become "omg guys, im going on dates but they're not hooking up" "omg guys all i got was a handjob", which if you told me that this would be my problem in the future, i wouldn't have been able to imagine it. but at least now i do know if i sit and hustle tinder for a week or two, i will definitely get at least 1-3 dates. low, but existent date volume. and damn, i'm even inviting a plate (u know who) over the weekend, which a year ago if you told me "yep you're going to get guaranteed sex in a few days" i would look at you like you're crazy

but they are still problems to work on, i'm not where i want to be and i won't stop until i'm there.

Action Points
ok to distill all the analysis and crap from above, this is what i need to do going forward
- study text convos that @Mimbe393939 sent me and develop a new texting stack to reduce my astronomical flake rate
- plan how to learn creating (sexual) tension with girl (i have enough resources for this, i just have to do it)
- probably learn how to uhhh be more empathetic somehow which i still don't know how to do
- revise my pulls so that i'm not literally cornering the girl into sex which gets me into LMR land
- modify my date stack to include these points
- edit: work on voice so it's masculine, deep, slow and can be sexual

colgate wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-09-02 17:44

tension is created by silence and eye-contact, and speaking in a slow, deep voice.

yeah fuck, my voice is still high energy and i talk very fast. how I'm talking in my videos is exaggeratedly deep and articulated, but i am cognizant of going into my fast, almost gay register in a conversation.

i think it comes from a base level of impatience and wanting to get the thought out as fast as possible, end my "native language" literally being "chat room on a screen", therefore being less aware and in tune with how my real and physical voice actually came off, flummoxed at apparently it was coming off as gay

for now I have vocal courses i should be doing that I've been procrastinating so that should be another action point for me

Had a date yesterday afternoon.

Somewhat below average Caribbean SMD chick who's in med school, and had short hair. Didn't dress up for the date really either. Probably should have teased her about it but I didn't. Next date I'll just tell her to dress up haha.

The Date
We had a date at a juice shop next to my place. I ordered a buffalo chicken sandwich and she ordered an açai bowl.

Talked for 20-30 minutes, and I was able to summarize to her that she was a "problem-solver, independent, and likes helping people, so that's why she wants to be a doctor".

She had asked me a question about what I think about "gender roles" (mildly in context of the fact that I'm Indian raised in America as opposed to an India-Indian), and I had basically given a non-answer like "my parents raised me pretty much American so I just roll with how we do it here, I'm not about that arranged marriage shit lolollolol" and it worked out fine.

The juice blender was obnoxiously loud so I used that as an easy pull excuse (I might come here more often because of that lolol).

actually i have to go meet a friend in 30 minutes, let's walk around outside
ok

I've already been going into every date with the mindset that I'll get a second date and there's no need to be hyper-pushy. Plus we could walk around outside for a few minutes and then I could figure something out there.

But the universe decided to give this dog a bone by bitchslapping his hoe mother nature and making her cry, so it started lightly raining as soon as we walked outside. Easy excuse to segue into just going to my apartment.

The Pull
Rather than immediately sitting on the bed and getting her to sit with me, I decided to take the office chair, and have her sit on the bed. And since I had not done very many touches/babystepped the escalation enough, I decided to just relax. Showed her 1 of my songs, then some Rei Harakami because I like Japanese music, and then we talked about R&B and I switched to Incognito .

She kept talking a lot and asking me a lot of questions about me, which now I don't even remember. But as we were talking I just kept touching her leg, getting closer to her, at some point having my leg touching hers, and she hadn't moved or objected a single time.

Eventually I made an excuse that I wanted to "know the story of her hair" (it was short with platinum blonde in the front), and I started to touch it and play with it a bit. Note that I'm still sitting on my office chair, and she's sitting on my bed.

I was not sure how far I could go, but as we talked, I started to just zone in on my 2nd escort experience . I remember I had been somewhat just platonically-ish cuddling with her and talking about nonsense, and then at around the 30 minute mark, I just went for a makeout.

Second guessed myself several times because she just kept talking and talking and we didn't have a single moment of silence longer than 5 seconds, so now I became hyper-aware of that. Eventually ~20 mins in my bedroom and I caught her trying to think about what to say next when I just pulled her cheek in and went for it.

This makeout was great, she was immediately into it, feeling up my body and shit. I placed her hands in different areas, etc. Eventually I moved to the bed with her and had her lay on top of me while we made out.

Then maybe 5 minutes later she got some notification from her phone and she said she had to go study with her friend. I was like ok, and just walked her out. She then said she forgot something at my place, so we went back and I gave her like 4 seconds of a passionate makeout again before disengaging.

Started planting more seeds of second date (curry) and then walked her to car, and kissed goodbye. That's it.

Takeaways
So I think this is a pretty decent trajectory for how a non-lay first date should go. And I had specifically tried to create more plausible deniability with the girl about whether we were actually going to hook up or not.

Some things I did differently
- Made sure to touch her at least a couple times at the date venue
- Given that I don't think I touched her enough at the date venue, treating the pull like we were still on the date rather than immediately sitting on the bed.
- Doing more touches and finding random excuses to touch her in certain ways (hair) to see how that would go
- Zoning into previous positive experiences to apply to the situation I was in

Some things I need to still work on
- I can't rely on the girl to keep conversation going. I got a little lucky because she liked talking a lot, but otherwise I need to be able to keep a conversation going for longer than 20-30 minutes (that's why I pull so quickly and it still flabbergasts me that you guys have trouble pulling "quickly" when even 20-30 minutes seems like an eternity to me)
- Teasing way more than I did, there was not much of that at all during the date

I'm reposting my "action points" from here in my post from here for accountability:

A. study text convos that mimbe sent me and develop a new texting stack to reduce my astronomical flake rate
B. plan how to learn creating (sexual) tension with girl (i have enough resources for this, i just have to do it)
C. probably learn how to uhhh be more empathetic somehow which i still don't know how to do ("empathetic conversational skills", "authentic relating")
D. revise my pulls so that i'm not literally cornering the girl into sex which gets me into LMR land
E. modify my date stack to include these points
F. work on voice so it's masculine, deep, slow and can be sexual

9/3/22
D. date/pull from sunday where i sit on chair and have girl sit on bed and pretend the "date" is still happening might be a good call, rather than immediately sitting together on bed

ok no this is not that cheerleader.

it's a different cheerleader. lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



let me get all the flexing out of the way
this chick is
- a cheerleader
- a model
- goes to kids' birthday parties dressed up as elsa from frozen and gets $500 a gig
- 95 lbs at like 5 ft tall

The Texting
How I even got this girl out in the first place is a story in and of itself.

I had matched her in July, and she had opened me with a emoji, and I got the contact.

Then I tried to make plans, but she "had to go to the Caribbean" lol

Then she wrong texted me about some other thing and I teased her about it.

Then I sent a respawn but that didn't work. Interaction ended July 25.

Mechanical Bull Respawn
I had spammed a video of me riding a mechanical bull (from the day I instapulled a cheerleader to lose my v-card , mind you) to a bunch of dead leads.

I got a couple of responses and some inroads into certain conversations but they all died out.

Except for this girl I had mentioned above.

Planned a tacos date for August 28, but then she flaked, but said she was free the next day. Attempt to reschedule the next day and then ghosted again.

I had taken a picture of the plates with curry with the bazonkers chick date from a few days prior. I decided to send that pic to this girl with the caption "could be us".

Still some rounds of bullshit, here's the following segment: Ghosted here

let's respawn again
now here's a huge autism fuckup!!!!! she literally invited herself over to come that night . it threw me off guard, and i was still stuck in my head that we were going to meet the next day. she even re-confirmed one more time, asking "tonight or tomorrow?", and then there was like a long pause where i was like wait wtf...

but then she confirmed tomorrow. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like a blunder in chess LOL!!!! but somehow got away with it.

Additionally, I had planned for my plate to come over that same night, but she hadn't responded to my time confirmation text. So I was like LOL fuck it let's accidentally double book. I literally waited until this chick said she was in the parking lot to cancel on my plate ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa ok anyway

anyway, so somehow after a freaking quadruple respawn i got a girl volunteer to come straight to crib and ask to stay the night. the only reason i kept shooting texts/respawns was because she was responding and teasing too.

I had received this comment about it from my group chats btw: and my remark to that is the following:

BURN THE LEADS!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN THEM TO ASHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEN BURN THE ASHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOUBLE TEXTING, TRIPLE TEXTING, SEXTUPLE TEXTING, GET YO ASS BLOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Bedroom
Chick would not stop talking the moment we met up.

Comes to my place, I say I have to soak the rice for an hour so let's chill in my room.

Now coming to my place and staying the night was her idea, not mine. But upon entering my room, she immediately tells me unprompted

sorry, i can't stay the night, i have to walk my very old dog tonight because my mom isn't home

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's like i'm seeing a girl come up with a text excuse in real time

Anyway, I sit on my chair like last time , and this girl immediately sits on my bed without me saying anything.

Standard, I show her my music. She tells me that she writes music too. wow a girl who has the same interests as me??????????????????? preposterous!

We show each other one of our songs each. I move to the bed when she shows me her song since it's off of her phone, and begin lightly touching her. She is responding by touching me back and we even briefly interlock fingers. ok good sign.

Then I flip on Maxwell - Urban Hang Suite as per standard (hey let me show you one of my influences btw) and move back to the bed.

Random touching and etc while we talk for a few minutes, and then I go for the makeout, and get it.

I start to touch her body in random places,

hey shouldn't you go check on the rice
rice takes an hour to soak

and then slowly head for taking her arm out of her sleeve.

hey you know we're not going to have sex right
ok
i'm on my period
i don't mind
i do!!! i'm insecure about that!
ok we will just fool around

I think I should have de-escalated and cuddled with her a little bit as I had the tendency to do previously when I ran into some initial layer of female resistance. But I didn't for some reason and kinda bulldozed...lol rip ok

Also rather than pure neutral non-reaction, I probably should have pushed it back on her like "you're already thinking about sex???" or something.

u know i didnt just come here to makeout
ok
can we watch the big tv in the living room
we dont really use that tv

i don't remember how the convo exactly went but she basically depulled us to the living room couch. uhhhhhh ok


The Couch???
I sat down on the couch and she immediately latches onto me and i hold her legs. We watch Love, Death & Robots which is too weird for her lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok dont put weird shows for girls, i need to put normie crap on

We cuddle and makeout on the couch and she talks etc.

is there a gas station? i have to buy whiteclaws for my gay best friend

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok tbf she had talked a bunch about her gay best friend earlier so it wasn't a complete curveball but still

and i didnt have any alcohol either lmao damn should have probably not done this

ok let's go after this episode

We go to the alcohol store and I buy coconut rum because I'm Indian, and she buys her whiteclaws.

As we're walking back, she's bragging to me about how good she looks in a bikini and etc.

Then we return to the apartment and she flashes me in the kitchen (with her bra on).

see, i might be tiny but i won't disappoint you~
she probably has like B cups but for a 95 lbs girl, they look bigger than they actually are.

oh yeah you have good proportions
and i squeeze her titties lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I pull out the cutting boards ready to start making curry, when she's like

i mean, i have to go soon, can we just go to the burger bar across the street?
hmmmmmmmmmmmm...well you can't get curry anywhere else
well....i never go to that burger bar either
hmmmmmm....why don't we just have drinks and chill here

i was not about to get depulled again and turn the straight to crib into a date LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok!

I pour us shots of coconut rum because I'm Indian, and then we sit on the couch. I put on a more light-hearted movie instead lol.

Immediately she pulls my head to rest it under her neck as I hold her body from behind.

She is sensually stroking my arm and etc while we talk. We make out here and there.

I go for her breasts over her shirt, then under her shirt, and then under her bra and play with her nipple.

Then I hold my hand over her neck like I'm going to choke her.

omg, you're turning me on like that

Start kissing her a little bit, but then I pull back.

Shortly after she talks about how she used to play flute and we talk about instruments. She uses the word "embouchure", so as a troll I'm like

you saying the word "embouchure" turns me on

And we makeout again

you know if you get under my bra i won't say anything right

lol oh shit!!!!!

lol ok how about you take off your bra

she takes off her bra and then we continue cuddling. start to fondle her breasts

then lift her shirt up and expose dem titties!!!!!!!!!!

i gently suck on her nipples while lightly choking her

you're engaging in bad behavior~
you're going to have to arrest me then

i feel like i disengaged here actually for some reason but i kinda don't remember what happened immediately after. whatever it was, i feel like it wasn't optimal

we end up changing positions to where i'm full on spooning her from behind while talking etc.

let me show you what i look like with glasses

she pulls out her phone and it's a convenient excuse for her to show me some nude pic of her where she's like bent over with her pussy out lmaoooooooo

i try to move her hand over my pants

oooh, you're engaging in bad behavior again~
i give really good head btw
you will have to show me that
omg i have to go walk my old dog now. also i want to give you a reason to see me again. u like me right??
yeah sure i like you
i like you a lot too

she goes to the bathroom to put her bra back on, and like clockwork Troy comes home immediately.

We leave, and then as soon as the doors close,
she pulls my shirt into her and starts passionately making out with me

That's the first time a girl has tried to makeout with me lol

Walk her to her car,

i really want to see you again! i hope i wasn't too much of a tease
yeah we can meet up next week because my friend @arcade_fireee from california is coming to Nashville this week

kiss goodbye, ok thats it

Takeaways
Yeah, so this feels like a major cocktease. As in she was very sexually expressive, but we didn't actually do anything. And based on her texting history, I'm not super sure if I'll get a D2. But maybe through enough rounds of respawning, potentially.

I definitely thought about doing some shit like straight up carrying her off of the couch while making out but I wasn't able to muster up the courage FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! None of the makeouts were long enough, and this girl doesn't really seem to like doing makeouts specifically beyond just signaling interest. Also she's a white chick so she has smaller lips that I'm not used to..................................

Also I don't know why and I kind of almost have amnesia about it as I'm writing about it rn, but I feel like there were at least 5 or 6 points I disengaged for no reason when I could have just kept escalating. It's like getting burned from being "too forward" has made me shoot in the other direction where I don't ramp shit up enough now. I'm becoming a normie guys!!!!!!!!!

If it's not a cocktease though, then this is probably the girl who has outwardly shown that she likes me the most, and it felt like she was almost "gaming me" to commit to her/keep her/look forward to seeing her again, without giving me too much on the first date, in addition to escalating on me at times. Also wow, we actually have common interests!

It's funny that if this exact experience were to happen in e.g. November 2021, I would have been like HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!! THAT WAS AMAZING, THIS GIRL ACTUALLY LIKES ME, I GOT TO SUCK ON TITTIES WTF HOW DID THAT HAPPEN and it probably would have been a milestone/bookmark for me. But at this point, I just feel ambivalent, if not mildly annoyed that I couldn't get very far.

I've madeout with every girl I've pulled (except one) since July (about 7-9 girls) and gotten a few handjobs, but except for one D4 lay, I can't seem to get past that. Lots of room for improvement regarding escalation. It's usually I'm too pushy up front, but now I'm dialing it back, and in this story, it seems like I ended up just not being forward enough and out of my frame because I'm trying to learn restraint. Mildly frustrating but I guess I need some more data points.

wish i had sales experience or something so i knew how to do objection handling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

other points:
- don't be hyper autistic about actually making curry and initial plans, sometimes all you need is the excuse to get her over. read the air a bit more, get the girl over asap, and see if making food would actually be appropriate lol
- push back on girls "insinuating" sex in the middle of escalation maybe

I was going to write this one along with the post where I hosted @arcade_fireee last weekend, but the post became too long, so I will separate it into two posts.

story continued from: viewtopic.php?p=41733#p41733

I met up for a second date with the bazonkers chick. Was going to take her to the mechanical bowling place but like my 6'5” plate lay , we couldn’t get in the damn venue. This time some boomers decided to rent out the whole place for some private event, probably a funeral.

So I took her to the same ice cream shop as the 6’5” chick. I ordered a rainbow sherbet ice cream because I like fruit flavors, but unfortunately, and I apologize for this in advance, I do not remember what flavor she ordered.

While walking, I was trying to get her to open up like I try to do with all chicks now. Got her to talk about her relationship with her parents and how they have influenced her life and etc during the walk.

Then I pulled to my place with coconut rum because I’m Indian. We had some shots and then went to the bedroom to chill.

Given how sexual the previous pull was, I thought this date was going to be a guaranteed lay. I just casually showed her Ellie Goulding - Lights because that song was stuck in my head for some reason, but then autoplay eventually got into my usual girl-in-my-room music of Maxwell/Incognito/D’Angelo.

However, this time the chick started resisting even earlier than last time. I merely went for her titties and she was already batting my hand away. She liked cuddling and making out (at least initially) but this felt like I had a girl over on the first date rather than the second…

She was doing the same thing she did last time where she would randomly get up and disengage during escalation, this time seemingly at earlier points than last time? Again, this felt like the first and second date pulls were reversed in terms of intensity.

Between her disengagement, she was also deliberately talking about strange topics, such as how she enjoyed watching this one documentary about a guy who chopped off a voluntarily accepting other guy’s penis and ate it. I usually completely ignore what girls actually say so it didn’t really affect anything I did (I didn’t even lose my boner, maybe I’m the one who’s fucked up?????????????), but I just had some awareness that she specifically brought this up after immediately disengaging from me. (she brought it up as “what kind of documentaries do you like” -> i answer -> she brings up this one)

I know some girls actually enjoy pushing back and then you overcoming their resistance, and based on the first pull I had with this girl, I remember I had aggressively grabbed her legs over me last time and she got into some heavy grinding over clothes, so I was imagining if I were to convert this girl, it would be from some similar action, but I’d have to just put up with her resistance.

So the escalation process on this girl was basically:
1. escalate up until a certain point where she inevitably disengages
2. chill out for a bit, then get her to cuddle/lay down or move towards her
3. start escalating again, but much slower than last time and in a slightly different way
4. go to 1, but you will probably be farther than you got the previous time even though it took you way longer

Basically, many escalation rounds that got exponentially longer each time, but the “progress” was farther. I had eventually taken off all of my clothes progressively every time she disengaged.

…or so I thought. The farthest I got this time was unhooking her bra and sucking her titties while I was on top of her, and I got to unbuttoning (but not taking off) her pants. (last time I got an explosive handjob).

At some point she was less into the makeouts, and started disengaging me at earlier points.

Realizing what was happening, I tried to see if “pulling the trigger” (taking the plunge!!!!!!!) and being more aggressive (pinning her down, forcing her hand) would get me anywhere, but I was met with even more resistance than last time.

At some point, after I had sucked her titties and she was moaning, she disengaged and her hand started trembling.

Then she started crying

are you okay
yeah …while still crying but then she ate up her tears

I had figured at this point there was a <1% chance that I would get any farther than this. Partially as a “calibration”, I had put back on my underwear and then I just chilled for a while.

In this moment, I pretty much just felt annoyed. Like there is literally zero reason why I should be getting this much resistance on a second date pull where the first time was intense grinding and a handjob, and she’s just trying to stir up drama. Sure, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a lay, but we should at least have our clothes off and getting to third base here. And this feeling I had only intensified when she started trembling and crying.

It’s like I have negative empathy or something.
If empathy is being able to feel the emotion another person feels, I definitely do not have that.
I am starting to be able to perceive others’ emotions, and if I can logically deduce why they felt that way I am very sympathetic and understanding.
But if it makes no fucking sense I basically just feel annoyed and think they have no right to feel that way and they should get over themselves, “negative” empathy.
This situation was a case of the last scenario for me.

I hate that I have this “negative” empathy (I just became able to describe what exactly this was after this experience). It’s a totally involuntary response, and it is going to bite me in the ass for months to come.

If I had normal fucking emotional responses to other people’s emotions, I would be able to handle situations like this better. Not just in dating, but regular social interaction too. Maybe I’ll never be able to develop true empathy, but at least if I could convert “negative empathy” into sympathy->understanding without requiring myself to “logically understand” their feelings, then all areas in my life involving social interaction would skyrocket into another echelon (read: freaking normal lmao). The way I could see potentially making progress on this is pretty much overriding and shutting down my own emotional response to “illogical emotional responses” from other people so I can just be universally sympathetic and understanding.

Anyway, back to the pull story. At some point, just to fully 100% confirm to myself that I should end the date, we cuddled a last time and she was ok with that, but absolutely refused to let my hand get around her thighs.

Called it with “I have some stuff to do now, let’s meet up again”. She nodded and we left.

The mood was quite intense and I didn’t really want to talk. Walked her to her car and we looked at each other for a bit.

sorry for making it really awkward…but…i didn’t want to do it my first time…so i didn’t like you pinning me down when i said no
it’s all good. sorry about that

We’ve been continuing to text. She’s interested in me on the surface but wants to “know me better” before we can “do anything more”. lolz great! If I decide to continue seeing this girl (not even a plastic plate yet), the trajectory is somewhat similar to my 6’5” plate, in that I’m going to have to take a sacrifice rapport date and go for the lay on D4-D5.

Some guys might read this and tell me “fuck that shit bro drop that girl she’s a TIMEWASTER”, and I want to agree so badly, but on the other hand my experience and probably value is still somewhat low (also given that I have never had an actual girlfriend, I’m missing a lot of “comfort”/“emotional connection” calibrations), so continuing this one is in my best interests (also I don’t really mind because I have somewhat of an abundance now, at least in terms of girls I can talk to and get out on dates, and I know I can get more of those).

update : story continued viewtopic.php?p=43056#p43056

FUCK IT!
TAKE THE PLUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT MIGHT FAIL, IT MIGHT SUCCEED

IF IT FAILED, IT MIGHT HAVE SUCCEEDED
IF IT SUCCEEDS, IT MIGHT HAVE FAILED

video thumbnail is literally a toilet?
FUCK IT!
TAKE THE PLUNGE!
WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, you are going to get this girl pregnant and have to pay child support for 18 years.
Yes, this escort is going to give you an incurable STD.
Yes, you will get into a car accident on your way home.
Yes, you will get arrested for possessing illegal drugs.
Yes, you will be kicked out of the approach venue today by the police.
Yes, you will go to the gym for months and gain muscle and yet seemingly your success with girls won’t change. (Keep going to the gym.)
Yes, the laser is going to be miscalibrated and you will become permanently blind you when you wanted LASIK
Yes, you will never be able to have kids and your hormone levels will be permanently fucked from taking steroids.
Yes, you will quit your job and never figure out how to make income again, and become homeless, and die on the streets from being knived.

In order to make a potentially life-changing decision, you need to accept that there's a chance the decision will turn into an irreversible catastrophe.
But do you really want what you say you want?

(current-situation) or (what-you-want / negative-outcome)

People don't get out of their stagnant lives and fail to make potentially important decisions because they’re more afraid of “avoiding the negative outcome” rather than being able to accept at some point, they should just take the risk and go for it.

you should just say
FUCK IT!!!!
TAKE THE PLUNGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The longer you wait to take the plunge, the more you are allowing yourself to rot away in your damp cave hole.

ENTER THE SEWER.

colgate wrote: ↑

Thu 2022-09-08 04:07

yeah we can meet up next week because my friend @arcade_fireee from california is coming to Nashville this week

Enter @arcade_fireee . He moved to Los Angeles about a year ago and has been gaming ever since. Has gotten some solid daygame results over 2022 with his cool beach guy vibe and the various Asians of California.

On the other hand, he’s been hustling like a MOTHER FUCKER with nightgame. I’ve seen him post nightgame reports every weekend, and has gone out 20+ times since this spring.

Failed makeouts, instagram unfollows, even phone numbers calling him gay, but not a single date, let alone a pull. (EDIT: ok apparently he actually did get one date but it sucked)
In one of my group chats, he had expressed interest in coming to Nashville to see if he can get some advice from Troy and maybe if the change in location will improve his night results.

Told Troy about it, he was like “fuck yeah!” and a plane ticket later, arcade_fireee’s here.

In total, we did 1 short daygame session, and 3 nightgame sessions together.

For the daygame session, we were at the classic Vanderbilt university, where I got banned for doing too many approaches a year ago.

At the end of the session, we were about to drive home and @arcade_fireee had spotted a very hot chick walking down the sidewalk.

you know i won’t say anything if you just jumped out of my car to approach her right

This guy jumps outta my car and chases her down to make the approach while I stall. Girl ended up being quite receptive.

And then he does it again . But the second car jumpin chick instantly blows him off.

Thursday and Friday night, we both went out to approach (Troy joined us for Thursday). I took a lot of videos of @arcade_fireee approaching and noticed how quickly he physically escalates on every girl and generates sexual tension. Like he’s immediately trying to start “foreplay” within 1-2 minutes of the approach. Most of my approaches and the other approaches I see guys do are just conversational, platonic information-exchange interactions, even if they’re confident and the energy is “good”. And especially in my case, I don’t know why I rarely do any kind of escalation on girls. Maybe I just don’t know what the ideal stack is, and I need to try now. FUCK IT! TAKE THE PLUNGE!!!



WHAT ARE YOU DOING?????????? BUY THE DAMN PLANE TICKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He told me he didn’t book an AirBnB because he just wanted to hang out with us and chill. I was like lol ok

When I went to Austin the first time , Troy gave me his room to pull to in the odd chance I did pull (I didn’t).

I didn’t report it for some reason, but I visited @Rags2Bitches too in December and he gave me his room to pull to as well in the odd chance I did pull (I didn’t).

There are so many fucking awesome guys in this KYIL/self-improvement space who are literally willing to host you and take you out for day/nightgame and I don’t think I would have gotten as much progress as I have so far without meeting these guys in person and doing what they say.

There have been several times I didn’t do what they say, and it costed me months. There are still things I’m not doing that they’ve been telling me, and it’s costing me now too.

And it pisses me off seeing people not take these opportunities when given to them. Guys will reach out to others saying “dude come here I will help you out”, and the other guy will just make excuses of work, being scared, “scheduling”, “guys i wish i was gay it would be so much easier”, etc.

man FUCK that.

listen to this audio I sent Troy back in October 2021 when he invited me to go to Austin

and then as you can see here, i IMMEDIATELY booked tickets to Austin:
FUCK IT! TAKE THE PLUNGE!

I had been ranting about the above in a group chat, and @arcade_fireee had been like “wait, can I come to Nashville?”.
Nobody asked him to show up.
But he wanted his nightgame results.
And came here.

arcade_fireee was about ~11 approaches in for Saturday night, when he saw this tiny tiny tiny solo chick.

He confidently walked ahead of her, stopped her, and opened her.
He called me and Troy over to introduce us, and the moment she agreed to hang out with three random guys , I knew this was the fucking lay.

We walked up to the neighboring Nudie’s bar, and Troy and I pretty much separated off from them. Then I separated off from Troy.

I saw arcade_fireee and the girl passionately dancing in the corner near the bar area.

There is no way this isn’t going to fucking happen. It needs to fucking happen. This is fucking it.

I was just internally screaming OK THIS GUY JUST NEEDS TO GO FOR THE DAMN PULL LET’S GO.

I sprinted back to the apartment, set up the mood lighting in my room, pulled up sex music on my laptop and dm’ed arcade_fireee the password.

Unlocked the door in the 1% chance he forgot the key and told him the room is his for the night.

I'll let him take the rest of the story from here: viewtopic.php?p=42396#p42396

Manly Cockfellow wrote: ↑

Wed 2022-09-14 07:20

Is this girl another virgin?

No she's not. She had told me the first time she had sex, she didn't want to do it.

The fact that she was so emotionally closed off most of the time means her feelings are legitimate.