brown shogun classic: 2021-2023

I actually wasn't even going to go out but M dragged me out once again. Why am I naturally such a weenie aaaaaaggghhhhh.

I don't want to just make this log "good" stories, and since I need to hustle with nightgame for real and show progress/improvements, I'll be logging my nightgame sessions.

Nightgame
~15 approaches over 2+ hours between Midtown and Broadway.

I have a good deal of approach anxiety since I'm waaaay out of practice. Could have definitely done 25+ in that time.

notable interactions
- skinny + fat girl duo. i comment on skinny girl looking like she never eats. fat girl, who's eating a freaking hot dog, gets mad and says "that's rude!!!!!!!" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- pink cowgirl hat duo, one with adidas strap/bag.
so ur getting married to adidas?
thats not funny...
oh ok yall dont know comedy i guess im gonna bounce (i start walking away)
omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no!!!!!!!!!!!! we know dave chappelle ...etc, blah blah proceeds to explain to me for 2-3 mins about comedy

main sticking points
- Need to internalize that rejection is overwhelming majority of interactions, even at night. You're not entitled to "good interactions". I've already done this for daygame, so this will just be hustling to internalize it at night too. One kind of rejection I especially have trouble with is where the girl I'm talking to is super receptive, but the friends hate me for even existing. Rarely/never happens in daygame so I'm not as used to it.
- Keep defaulting to matter-of-fact interview mode platonic conversation. Excruciating for me, excruciating for the girl. Can't successfully escalate out of this and take rejection when she denies some sort of logistics change (bounce somewhere else, touching, moving to dance floor, etc etc).
- Too afraid to use the "childhood friend" roleplay because it "might get old". Need to also come up with more roleplay scenarios/openers.

Met up with a hot black chick at a taco place from Tinder who had initially deferred. What's interesting is I had a date set up with this girl before I even had my first 2 lays, so if God rolled the dice differently, this could have very well been my first (or 0th) lay.

The vibe on the date was very platonic and I felt like she was interviewing me. There were little things like me saying "...so now I'm stuck in Nashville for a year" -> "stuck? what do you mean by stuck?", and a general sense of "prying" that made me feel like she was trying to be my "equal" or otherwise dominant over me. I wasn't actively thinking about these kinds of things at the time, but rather I'm trying to retrace what made me feel "off" about certain things she did. I tried to call it out with "ok but neither of us wants to hear about what I do in my job", but she was like "no I'm very interested in learning what people do", so I ended up just acquiescing to that and explaining it, as if I was just explaining it to a random person. snooooooooooooooooore.

Pull was 30-45 mins in after I had finished eating my tacos. I was actually surprised she even pulled due to how platonic the date was. I brought up that I'm a music producer and she wanted to hear my music, so that was basically the pull. Walked to my apartment, went in my room, put my laptop on the bed and played some of my music and shut the door. Then she asked to hear some music I like that I didn't make so I showed her that. Started touching her legs while we were talking, and then she said she had something in her eyelashes and I used that as an opportunity to get closer to her face, and then pretty much just went for the makeout.

It was pretty much on from there. But something felt different about this escalation. She was ordering me to "move the computer", "take off your pants", "suck on my titty". Since at this point I'm n=2, I was like uhhh ok I guess let's see where this goes.

But I was honestly turned off. It felt kind of like an escort lay. Additionally, I would try to take control at some point, but she would verbally object to things I was doing that she didn't like. "don't bite so hard" "not so rough" etc. This is like the equivalent of writing a song in a music software but the software tells you "which notes sound good", as if it's paint by numbers. That takes all of the joy and fun out of sex.

As you can compare to my first two lays, I enjoy crafting an experience for the girl, and part of that is my ability to hold dominance in the interaction, which I couldn't do with this girl. And part of crafting the experience is trying a lot of varied shit, not necessarily that the girl will like, but rather being able to freely explore her body and find out yourself what she likes. You try a lot of things, and there's certain things she won't react much to, but you find some other thing that she does react to and you can hear her louder moans, increased breathing, etc. Then you can do things like interleave the very arousing thing with something more neutral to enhance the arousing thing. For example, you can go from passionately making out with the girl to suddenly disengaging and SLAPPING her across the face and before she can react, go back to making out and you'll notice she'll be trying to pry her tongue into your mouth even more than before. I'm not saying every girl likes that, but the point here is you can gauge whether she liked that by how she viscerally reacts to whatever you just did, and adjust the interaction accordingly to maximize the pleasure.

Anyway, I eventually stuck it in missionary no condom and did like 6 thrusts but she asked where the condom was. So I fumbled around and got a condom (yeah I had one ready on my bedstand but I still had to fumble around). The condom probably made this shift even further towards feeling like an "escort lay". Also my head shot up way above hers, so I felt like I didn't have proper access to her neck and lips without compromising how I was thrusting. Almost like driving a new car for the first time and everything's in a different place. I feel like this wouldn't have been a problem if I had a more dominant role in the interaction because I would have just manipulated her body to maximize my own pleasure, so I could attend to her. But I felt like I would get "rejected" for trying. And I hardly tried anything rough for the same reason.

She got on top of my cock and rode me cowgirl for a bit. This position felt very bizarre to me because she was trying to find the position and angle to maximally please me (and herself). Almost felt like I was the one being fucked. I ended up coming really quickly from this, in maybe 2-3 minutes of her bouncing on top of my cock. I just didn't have the desire to hold it in and control it, because I was being controlled by her. Of course, then my cock got soft so she couldn't ride me anymore. She was like, wait did you come? Why didn't you tell me?

Decided to persist and go for round 2, so I had her chill and makeout for a bit. She started ordering me to suck her titties and then eat her pussy and stimulate her clit. I think she liked it a little bit, but it wasn't super primal enjoyment that I can usually feel off of other girls when I'm in control. I guess at some point of doing "fake missionary" (rubbing my cock against her stomach while making out) I got hard again, so I put on another condom and started trying again. Also used some lube. But ultimately it was mostly the same as earlier. I tried doggy too which was okay, but I'm not as big of a fan of doggy because I feel like I can only thrust and slap/squeeze her ass (I throw in doggy here and there to "vary" things up, but I prefer missionary as the main). Again, I felt I didn't have enough freedom to really do what I wanted because I didn't feel in control of the sex.

Eventually after maybe an hour, she got bored and was like "I'm not horny anymo-, I mean it's okay we can finish for now". Ouch lol.

Dressed up and we walked to the elevator. She asked me if I needed to let her out through any more doors from there and I said no, so she was like "okay well I can just walk myself out, it was nice meeting you".

Takeaways
So this lay felt like a rejection. Like yeah, I got another lay, but it definitely didn't make me feel good. This is due to feeling like I wasn't in control of the interaction and the girl didn't feel like giving up control to me. But somehow she didn't have hangups about having sex anyway so it resulted in a very lackluster experience compared to my first two lays. Essentially I got to truly experience what having sex with a "friend" would be like, purely "platonic sex". Now I see why I've not generally liked the term "friends with benefits" and why before I got into dating, I always wondered why female friends were uncomfortable with dating males they saw as "friends". This lay pretty much illuminated that entire dynamic to me.

So it's further motivation to actually follow what @pancakemouse has been bugging me to do for so long and that is to stop having so many platonic interactions. I see exactly what happens when you consummate a platonic relationship now. The lack of contrast between the sexual energies between the individuals results in low sexual pleasure for either. I feel like my coming quickly was a "panic response", similar to when I met the first escort and came <1 minute.

The first two lays already had some kind of pretext where I was dominant in the interaction leading up to the sex. With the cheerleader instapull, she was all ditzy and tipsy so I felt like I had to take care of her (out of necessity haha). And I had set some fantasy where we were like childhood friends on the initial approach, further adding to the tension of the situation. The resultant sex was a dynamic where I had 100% of the control and went 5 rounds with her, and the experience was mindblowing. And the 2nd lay was like, she couldn't contain herself so much that she wanted to come straight to my place and give me all the control. And she did, so that resulted in a long 2 hour round. Even when I had her please me, it was because I was allowing her to take control temporarily. With this lay, we just had some boring taco place chat and then I put a meat wand into a flesh envelope. Strongly contrasting masculine/feminine energy is hugely important for maximally enjoyable sex for both parties.

So my goal for future dates is to figure out how to create more dominant vibe and get the girl to relinquish control to me beyond the sex itself. And/or get more of the straight to crib lays and skip the dates

Also I have a bet with @MakingAComeback that if I can get 20 lays by the end of the year, he has to get a bulldog tattoo because of me. Sounds impossible but enough of a motivating challenge to keep me from becoming complacent for the rest of the year. So we're at 3/20.

Holden wrote: ↑

Thu 2022-07-07 17:21

Looks like your body blew up too.

And yeah girls like her are lame as fuck. She sounds like a real turn-off. Not sure how I'd have reacted in your shoes, probably either cut the date short, or if it came down to a pull, just cum quickly and send her home

I'm predicting I'll have unsatisfying lays like this in the future sometimes. My goal will be to mitigate these as much as possible (ie: being more firm about letting the girl know I'm the one in charge here), so more often I have sex both she and I enjoy (because I'll be dominating everything 100%)).

I don't think pure "lay count" is the precise end goal I personally want but rather my own subjective opinion of "good lay count", which would be something along the lines of I made the girl come multiple times over a long sex session and then when I think I have sufficiently pleasured the girl, I will come as well and finish it off. (but my bet with MakingAComeback will be regular lay count of course).

So clearly, I have the potential to get laid a lot now (3 in 5 days, with very low effort in the micro, wow!). So if I want more and I want @MakingAComeback to get inked up, it's TIME TO HUSTLE.

Posting this in advance for accountability like I did last time. Will be much harder but I can feed off the momentum I already have (unlike June, where I was trying to get out of a rut)

If I don't hit these action goals by August 5th , I will quit my job.


Fitness
Boxing: 8 times
(now: 7)

Gym: 16 times
(now: 12)

(SUSPENDED)
2700+ calories a day: 24 days
(now: 10)
7/20 onwards: 150g protein under ~1900 calories (7/26 onwards, 1650 calories)


Dating
Online: 20 sessions (as in, use 1-3 boosts + swipe + message girls)
(now: 14/18)

Nightgame: 12 sessions
(now: 12/12)


For the dating hustle sessions, I can remove one required session (from either online or nightgame) per date I go on. Going on the date will take up the amount of time needed to do a session, and the point of the dating sessions is to get the dates in the first place.

Will do a recap of this like I did last time on August 5th (which coincidentally happens to be one year since I've joined the forums).

Boxing : 1/8

Online : 1/20
I had re-read Andy's tinder guide, @Manganiello 's guide, some notes from @pancakemouse 's site and some example texts from various other guys. then, I made this template to hustle on tinder

GOAL: get a GREEN LIGHT from the girl, then extract the number

open:
- something unique relating to her pics/profile
- can't think of anything in 20 seconds
-> hey i've got just one question for you
-> ask others if you still have no ideas after she responds

initial:
- roleplay
- tease
- tease + insert that you're doing "high-value activity" + inquire about girl (or some other way of you and her-ing)
- just got done at the studio for the day, what are you up to?
- just got back from the pool, what are you up to?
- just got back from the gym, what are you up to?

STOPLIGHT:
green light - asking you multiple questions about you specifically
yellow light - just responding/asking questions about what u said rather than about you, rather than ones "investing in you"
red light - being combative, etc

green light:
- tell her we should meet and go for the number

yellow light:
- keep bantering (initial) until you can get a green light

red light:
- stay non-reactive, just keep teasing+dhving

So I'll be following this for my online sessions. Example responses are only fallbacks if I can't think of anything but somehow that hasn't come up. I think previously I had so much trouble doing online dating because I had a bunch of dumb "intellectual" excuses that allowed me to escape it. But that's dumb, and all I care about is getting laid. No time for whining. Internalizing this mindset and my 3 lays in 5 days have basically made messaging girls much smoother and enjoyable for me, feels like doing a real cold approach session now.


3 boosts between 9:15pm-11:30pm
10-12 likes, 9 matches, 5-6 convos, 2 contacts

One number ghosted when I tried to pitch straight to crib haha. Okay, I'll be more patient and just do regular dates.

Also I almost had 3 contacts, but I think web Tinder glitched on me and didn't send me the girl's message, and my reply was irrelevant, and then I saw her message come out of order and it was like "whoever wins the boxing match has to give the other person head" but it was too late and she unmatched. AGHHHHH. Anyone else experience message loading issues with web Tinder?

Nightgame : 1/12
12 approaches over 2 hours.

I did one childhood roleplay approach like my cheerleader lay, and 2 of the "little sister" approaches that @Holden recommended. Had anxiety behind it so I couldn't do them until around approach 6-10ish

Still have a lot of approach anxiety. Could have done 25+. Just dumbass excuses.
- in bachelorette party
- in 3+ group
- dancing (lol why cant i do this one?? used to do it just fine)
- "I'll wait until she stops at the crosswalk"
- girl's body language looks too "dominating" and "confident" (e.g. wearing shades and deadpan face with head looking up)
- prematurely abandoning approaches because i don't want to continue convo with yellow light girl
- girl looked alone but she joined a friend group aaaaa

I will also start posting live nightgame notes (approach anxiety, interactions, etc) in this telegram channel, feel free to subscribe and dm me: https://t.me/+gUWGmTw2s89mOGU5

I know these are dumbass excuses, I will get over them. Just writing to be transparent.

I will read the Technical Game Bible book that pancakemouse has recommended to me since like February to see if it can help me out a bit. I think it might help me escalate the conversation a bit. I should be good once I have the girl as a "green light" because I'm very forward with pulling/steamrolling girl objections but getting to the point where a girl even trusts me and thinks I'm a cool guy is my weakness.

Gym : 1/16 - chest
2700+ calories: 1/24 - 2986

Online : 2/20
9:15pm-11:30pm
3 boosts | 7-10 likes | 3-4 matches | 1 convo which turned into me being rickroll'd (yes that's right)
Also got 3-4 additional likes over the previous day.

Low volume today, and I swiped left on over half of the likes because they were too fat. Chubby is fine (like my 2nd lay) so long as they're facially cute and/or feminine, but I can't do it if they're hyper-fat. lol

The one convo I had was with some FOB Indian chick, typing completely how a native Indian types. Seemed like she was just playing around/having fun but I just followed the process anyway. Sent me her contact. Told me to call it. And then I got rickroll'd . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posting the convo (number isn't censored because it's not real anyway) Mileage day.

Nightgame : 2/12
15 approaches over 2 hours.

Trying to generally reprogram "I don't want to go out" to "WELL I WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT IF I HAD GIRLS, WHERE ARE THE GIRLS GIVE ME THE GIRLS".

I had given myself a quota to approach 15 girls, and try to get past "level 1" (from technical game bible) with a girl by asking her a "deeper" question ("level 2"). I thought "how would you feel going up there and singing" would be a good one, because all of night venues here are live rock/country music. I ended up doing that on my 13th approach to some girl in a group of 4, but I then just ejected from the set even though I probably could have still kept talking to her. MAXIMUM WEENIE MODE ARGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More instant deflections/blowouts than usual. Had painful amounts of AA. Literally felt like a total loser around approaches 7-9, as I kept walking by girls telling myself dumb shit like "not possible". It's like I was more willing to not endure and suffer pain than actually just handle it and get what I want. Reminds me of the attitude of depressed guys in Internet communities. But since I had given myself a quota, I had to just power through anyway.

"Farthest" I got in an interaction was some flirty/handsy black chick I approached doing gutter game. Then her friend with her bf showed up, introduced myself to them. Then kept talking to my girl. She was doing the usual girl bs of being super indecisive and wanting to do 12 things like "finding her friends" and "i'm hungry" and "i want to listen to music", blah blah, like the cheerleader lay was doing. I attempted to steamroll it into "let's go to the hot dog stand and tell your friend to meet us there", but after 3-5x pushes, no dice. Ended up exchanging contacts but I don't really know why I did honestly. Also had done 2 other dumb contact exchanges, including a definite fake number with way too many 7s.

So I think what I need to do for next time I just stick with focusing on volume quotas like I did with daygame, and keep just hitting the quotas until I genuinely enjoy just going out and approaching, like I did with daygame . Then I can have enough data to understand what specific part of nightgame I need to focus on next. I'm way out of practice with regular approach (I was last active nearly 4 months ago!), and I feel nightgame is harder because the girls inherently have their egos and status "inflated", as opposed to daygame where it's just "oh she's just out and about minding her own business". (many people consider nightgame easier than daygame because talking to girls at night is "more socially acceptable", but as an internet alien coming from the planet Discord, anything involving social rules and social structure scares me and I try to avoid it as much as possible, and I couldn't care less about "socially acceptable").

Hydro wrote: ↑

Sun 2022-07-10 22:51

where tf you work at

I have a remote job.

That being said you can work 40 hours a week and still dedicate the same amount of effort as I do to dating. Just look at @Manganiello 's history. If anything, I'm not even putting remotely enough amount of effort considering how much free time I have and how much time I waste. I'm pretty sure @MakingAComeback has a full time job too and he does way more than I do.

And I know a literal surgeon doing 50 hour work weeks who still has time to go to the mall on weekends and daygame, and keep up with the apps and has basically a plate for every day of the week.

If you really want it, you'll find the time. Hell, you'll make the time. In other words, if you don't "have time", you don't want it.

omg fine i'll update my log godddd.

not really good at posting "hey guys i went to the gym and then went to bed" lol!!!!

colgate classic, bringin back the video logz:
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AT FIRST I WAS LIKE, WELL I WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE OUT HERE TALKING TO GIRLS IF I HAD GIRLS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

BUT THEN I REALIZED EVEN IF I HAVE GIRLS, I STILL HAVE TO KEEP TALKING TO GIRLS.

LITERALLY NOTHING CHANGES. YOU CAN'T STOP. THERE'S NO "I HAVE THE GIRLS I CAN STOP NOW".

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED I'M A VIRGIN AGAIN.


Gym: 3/16, shoulders (7/10), back (7/12)
Boxing: 2/8
2700+ calories: 5/24 (avg ~2900 range)

Online : 4/20

Stats for the week:
27 matches | 7 numbers | 2 dates arranged
~6 hours spent (boosting, swiping, messaging girls)

I'm not going to keep daily/exact stats from now on because that's exhausting, so it'll probably be similar to how I kept track of my daygame approaches.

Beginning to actually enjoy texting girls instead of finding it excruciating/painful. That's because of that process I was able to outline in this post . And being creative/gimmicky with texting and crafting an "experience" for the girl is fun, as if we're already having sex (I don't mean overtly sexual conversations, but lots of teasing and roleplay over text).

Often I'm able to get the number, but I get ghosted over text while trying to arrange the date. Trying to figure out the balance of "gimmicky" texting and being real/logistics.

Nightgame
Mon 7/11: 15 approaches over ~3 hours, 1 long dance, 1 failed pull.

I went out looking like this. LOL!!!!

STILL massive AA, but just hustling. Had to give myself 15 approach quota again. I've posted live thoughts in my Telegram channel I've linked previously. I think the discussion I had above regarding texting will carry over to irl interactions (especially nightgame) because I can practice coming up with "what to say" in a non-realtime setting for a while. And I think this "text personality" will start to come through on approaches as well.

I approached 2 Dominican black girls in some loud live music venue, but I couldn't hear the girl's freaking name and I wasn't about to stand there going "wut wut wut wut" so I ejected. But then I had found them on the street and reapproached them later. One of the girls was like "where's the latin music, I don't want to hear this country music". Yes, let's come all the way to America and specifically the country music capital of the world and listen to latin music . Would be like if I complained that there's no vocaloid anime music on Broadway.

Anyway, I used this as an opportunity to try to pull them to my place. I told them I knew a place where there's a club (already knowing it was closed), and had them follow me to this one alley with a lot of bars and clubs. Had to speak to them in dumbass English the whole time to keep them entertained. Then I pretended that I was "so disappointed" the club was closed. One of the girls had asked about WiFi, so I said there was WiFi at my place. Made the mistake of translating "my place" to "mi casa" and I got drowned in a sea of no's. I still tried to steamroll the objections by hiring the Uber and ordering a hot dog to stall the girls, but they ended up ejecting while I was ordering the hot dog, and I ended up having to cancel the Uber.

Sisyphus wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-07-15 22:05

but do you think the "old friend roleplay" might have increased your chances with that particular girl?

Yes it did. Generally giving a girl some kind of "fantasy" framework to work within is a good idea. I don't know if she would have even acquiesced to my lead if I didn't come up with this, even if she was slightly inebriated.

Sisyphus wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-07-15 22:05

"it's all about looks and numbers game, game doesnt matter"

I think strange PUA tactics are frowned upon, but something creative and silly like "old childhood friend" is good. It's the approach/interaction equivalent of BDSM or roleplay sex, I just chose to start the roleplay from the initial interaction. I also don't really think people genuinely think "game doesn't matter", and "game" includes things like approaching itself, escalating, being forward, solving girl's problems, etc. But I don't want to turn my log into a discussion about "what game is" so let's leave it at that.

Sisyphus wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-07-15 22:05

Maybe she thought you both actually knew each other but she didn't remember it. Maybe she thought that you both knew each other in the beginning of the interaction and then realized that in fact you were a complete rando and played along because you were cool in the convo. But if you were direct and straight to the point from the get go, she would have insta rejected, because women are by default closed off to random guys.

You are overthinking this. Girls like playing pretend. And she knew I was a complete rando because she sent me a snap later along the lines of "sorry, that's not who I really am, I was very irresponsible and drank too much" (I simply replied "haha, it's all good, hope you had fun in Nashville!", to which she replied "I maybe had a little too much fun...").

We don't know what the outcome would have been if I did a "direct approach" either. I've done this "childhood friend" roleplay a few other times and got rejected within <10 seconds (even though if you really "own" it, it will "trance" the girl for a few seconds into believing you). Certainly at night, it's a much more interesting way to open.

Sisyphus wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-07-15 22:05

I think certain openers might have a better chance to get the attention of the girl.

Yeah, you're right to some degree. It's also about general vibe and how you come off too. I still have a long way to go so I haven't exactly zoned in on "what's the best way to open" (not just words, but initial mood/body language/tonality/etc).

I've been doing online sessions, nightgame sessions, boxing, gym, etc blah blah. I'll make a hustle post in bulk later. But wanted to get this date report from last night out of the way.

Rather than only posting "omg guys, I had sex!!!!!!!!!! LOL look how cool i am!!!!!!!!!!", I think there's more value to people if I post the message logs (with as much personal information removed).

Seeing veterans' Tinder and text message logs has massively helped me so far with converting app matches into numbers and numbers into dates, so I want to give back with my own message logs from now on. As I said earlier, I'm following the process I came up with that I outlined:
1. creative opener
2. teasing/roleplaying with girl until she starts responding well
3. switching to "real" wat u doin convo->pitching future meetup and extracting number

So we have this 21 year old black girl:

Logic for the opener was she was working as an "audiologist" and one of her pictures was her in front of a piano. Match->number in 6 message volleys.

Here's the text conversation to convert the number into a date: She wanted to move the date location to somewhere closer to her, but I wanted it close to me so I can easily pull (I have venues which are literally next to my apartment). I offered to pay to Uber her over here, but she decided to grab the Uber herself. At this point, I would not have just "gone on the date" if she did not want to come to the location I want.
So this part is very interesting. She "accidentally" texts me "safety" messages "intended" for her friend to me. At this point I genuinely thought it was an accident, but I also didn't really care (girls have told me directly in the past that they shared their location with their friends during the date, and when the cheerleader pulled she wanted me to text my address to her friends).


We meet up and she is like 5ft tall. nice!

I ask her real quick if she managed to send those "safety messages" to her friend, and to my surprise she is completely unfazed . As in she's like "oh yeah, I did". Somehow, I would have expected more of a reaction, but I guess not. So this ticked me off that she "accidentally" sent these messages on purpose. Troy said the same thing, as in to indicate "if you 'do anything to me', I have backup". Also, she literally sent 5 of them in a row, and other than that she seems very detail-oriented and "logical" so it's not an accident. LOL!!!!!!!!

Anyway, none of that mattered. We walked inside the burger bar and I just said that I already ate so I'm just going to get a beer. She ordered a soft drink.

We chatted for 30 minutes and then I pulled with "do you want to listen to some music I made at my place?" and she instantly agrees.

Walked next door to my apartment and gave her and I shots of coconut rum because I'm Indian.

"Wow!!! this is a party house!" because I have a light machine and jellyfish lamp in my room.

I lead her inside my room and shut the door.
Tell her to take off her shoes and get on the bed.
Then I play some of my music on my laptop while talking to her and lightly touching her legs and other mild physical contact.

My escalation has changed in that I don't bother trying to "cuddle" or put my arm over the girl at all. We just sit upright on my bed and listen to music and talk. Just light physical touches and being close to her.

After 2 or 3 of my own songs (approximately 5-10 minutes), I put on my sex music album. I've found having one album or playlist where I will start escalating when I put it on makes starting escalation much easier.

When the conversation dies, I look at her and bring her chin in, and we start making out. This is now completely standard for me.

But she starts trying to talk while we're making out . Honestly, I should have just said "shut up" in a calm, neutral tone. But I pretty much ignored it and pulled back.
Had us lay down and cuddle for a bit. Moved her leg to intertwine with mine as we talked. She has a natural musk of bananas. As if we're in the African jungle. Huge turn on.

Then makeout again. She keeps trying to talk but I basically keep ignoring it and making out, going to her neck, making out some more. Put my hand over her neck to mildly choke her.
She repeatedly keeps saying "I don't want to do something regrettable...". On the other hand she's giving me a bunch of tongue.
Says that same line again. Back to cuddling, and this time she leans into me more than previously while we talk.

It's many rounds of escalating, her making random objections, me pulling back, her cuddling more intensely than before, and then repeating the escalation.

And she always uses the line "I don't want to do something regrettable..."

I ramp up the escalation each round I'm able to do it. Like a zigzag trending upwards.

I start mildly biting her lip while kissing and she moans a little. Choke her a little. She's like "omg! ur such a good kisser!" the moment I bite her lip.
I try to take off her spaghetti strap top. She's like noooooo I don't want to do that.
Disengage, cuddle.

how was my kissing???
like a 7
omg!!!!!!!!!!!! thats like....not even a C....hmph................

She slightly moves away, I remain still in silence.

I said 7 as in "good", but it definitely wasn't a "10" because I was already annoyed at her talking while making out. It's like, we already talked for 45 minutes, shut up lol.

Cuddling, talking, makeout again.
This time I'm able to take off one arm of the spaghetti strap top. Now I expose her breast and start sucking on it.
Mildly bite it, play with the nipple using my tongue, etc. She starts moaning and saying "you're so good at this!"
I take off the other side of the top and expose the other breast, and suck on that breast while playing with her other breast using my fingers.

you're so hot ...I don't want to do something regrettable...
Disengage.

Cuddle, talking
She is now completely leaning into me with her bare breasts pressing onto my body (I'm still clothed).
She wants to see what's on my necklace, so I use that as a convenient excuse to take off my shirt.
"You didn't have to take off your shirt..."
I say nothing. Then she kisses me while feeling my abs and chest.

This time I'm grabbing her ass while we're making out.
And I S L A P her ass.
She lets out an UNGH! in pleasure, and makes out with me harder.

Now I undo my jeans and rub my HARD COCK! over her body while continuing to makeout.
I navigate her hand to my cock over my boxers.

is this ok?
yeah this is ok
ok....you know consent and all....

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She starts rubbing my cock over my boxers.
Then I navigate her hand under my boxers and onto my bare cock.
Now she's rubbing my bare cock as we makeout.

I go for her skirt and she's like...

"this is too fast...i have to go...you're too hot...this will be regrettable..."

Disengage again. Cuddle again. Talk again. Makeout again.

I take off my boxers and continue where we left off.
I mildly rub her pussy under her skirt and over her panties.
She's soaked!

Then I have her untie and take off her skirt.
are you sure?
yeah

Takes off the skirt, but leaves the panties on.
Continue making out.
I perform "fake sex" on her where I rub my cock over her panties "missionary" while doing most of what I'd be doing otherwise if I were actually penetrating her.
She's soaked! through her panties.

I start to rub her pussy over her panties again, and her eyes are rolling into the back of her head.
And she's moaning profusely.

I move my hand inside of her panties and feel how soaked! she is down there.


"this is too fast..."

"i have to go..."

"you're too hot..."

"this will be regrettable..."


Disengage. Cuddle while both of us are completely nude.

don't you have to go and make more music or something
i'm making music right now. I kiss her a little bit
omg....you're so good.....

Makeout.
Titty suck.
I decide to keep kissing lower and lower, on her stomach.
I get close to her pussy but she objects.

So I immediately start fingering her over her soaked! panties for maybe another 1-2 minutes.
She is profusely moaning and contorting her body.
She eventually squeezes her legs together and mashes my hand in pleasure and lets out a loud moan.
uhhh lmao wow it was that easy to make her come????

"you're making me crazy...we have to stop..."
"you're so hot...this will be regrettable..."

She starts trying to put her clothes back on but I remain sitting up and non-react.
I pull her in and sit up with my HARD COCK!

ok go
????

I navigate her hand to my cock and she starts jerking it.

"noooo..noo...." as she continues to jerk my cock and lean into kiss me.

"nooo...." as she can't resist making out with me.

faster...
She jerks my cock faster.

The sight of this girl with her skirt and spaghetti strap top with no bra (she was wearing a bra earlier) is somehow more erotic and arousing than her being fully nude.
I attempt to navigate my hand to her pussy but she objects.

I tell her to bend over, she objects.

So back to making out with me (fully nude) and her (haphazardly clothed). She continues to jerk my cock. I try to pull her panties down while she's over me, because the thought of her riding me cowgirl fully clothed is extremely arousing. but she's like noooooooooo. So it'll forever live in my fantasies...

"it's 9 pm....this is too fast...i have to go...you're too hot...this will be regrettable..."

At this point, I don't see how I can move further, and she's even starting to put her bra on that she "forgot" to put on, so I decide to start getting clothed, and she "helps" me with my shirt.

I walk her out, she calls an Uber back home.

As an experiment, I decide to hold hands with her as we are walking outside.

but what if one of your girls sees us...??
I'll just tell her you're my girlfriend
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We sit down on a bench and I put my arm over her as we wait for the Uber.

so how would you rate the date?
hmmm...a 7
OMG!!!! you really like the number 7 huh....
ok what would you rate the date
welllllll....i dont mean to be harsh....but i'll say.... a 6
so you basically just took whatever number i said and subtracted 1
omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are you going to ghost me now?
not if you ghost me first
omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well i always try to message back at least...

I had no reaction and remained sitting in silence.

The Uber came and we hugged and I saw her off.

tl;dr: 1.5 hours of fooling around, escalating and de-escalating, "this is too fast...i have to go...you're too hot...this will be regrettable", girl comes from me rubbing her pussy over her panties, i come 0 times.

Here's the text conversation from this morning: "Crisis of connection"-esque @MakingAComeback style.


Takeaways
I SHOULD HAVE BUSTED ALL OVER HER FACE WHEN I HAD THE CHANCE AAAAAAA.

There's a certain point in this interaction where there was no way I was actually going to get the lay, but the girl and I were still fooling around. I blueballed myself by not "taking the sacrifice" and busting all over her face. Especially since I had made her come. SHOULD HAVE SHOT JETS ALL OVER HER FACE AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaa FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will call "busting a nut over a girl's face in lieu of actually getting laid" a "sacrifice". As in you "sacrificed" getting laid in order to explode! all over her.

And this experience has taught me that a girl's logical brain is directly in conflict with her primal desires. Her logical side is often figuring out how to not have sex, even if her primal side craves it and can't take it. I don't think "females are illogical", they just operate under a different set of rules.