brown shogun classic: 2021-2023

These are all my logs of my initial journey into pickup, starting as a virgin in 2021, to getting an adorable girlfriend of my type in 2023.

I extracted and archived my posts from a site called Winner Within , formerly known as the Kill Your Inner Loser Forums. Links to other posts within this log should work.

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Mon 2021-10-18 06:51

I went out for a nightgame session on Friday evening with my friend. I think I went about 1#/10 and also got to wing for the first time. Don't feel like writing a long post but I'll talk about the main crazy story.

tl;dr: I don't escalate a girl I've screened to be receptive and friend doesn't pull because I have his keys and girls ghost us.


Immediately within like 5 minutes of being out and after only maybe 1 or 2 approaches (each), my friend and I spot a hot white+cute indian duo.

friend opens them, takes the white girl. i come in 30 sec later to wing him and talk to the Indian girl. both of us are getting physical fast, but friend starts making out with his girl. i don't.

we are like "let's go to some bar" and so us 4 are walking down the street. I'm holding hands with the indian girl 🥰 😍

then i lose friend and his girl, so i call him. cant hear jack shit so i tell him to text me. he texts me his location, so i just go in there. see him making out and dancing with the girl so I don't wanna interrupt him. my DUMBASS sees this mechanical bull and telling the indian girl to ride it (i think maybe i was tryna distract her from her friend so friend could pull? but i should have just copied my friend's escalating with my girl). we have a 2-3 min back and forth about who should go first and eventually I'm like fine I'll go lol.

Indian girl uses this as an opportunity to call her friend. she tells me "I'll be back" and showing that she's calling her friend



i ride the mechanical bull, holding on for pretty long, eventually i get thrown off, then i see my left hand bleeding.

i check my phone and friend was like "dude why didn't you respond she was gonna pull and you had the keys". i was like "oh i thought we were gonna meet in that bar but i saw you making out so I didn't wanna interrupt". so it was just a huge communication/logistics error.

we made sure our phones were on loud and tested them for the rest of the time.

Notes
- You want to FUCK this girl. Be too aggressive, you can dial it back.
- No excuses for bad logistics. Work that shit out ahead of time. Sometimes it might be out of your control though so you need to approach more.
- Don't lean into girls and act too desperate on the approach.

Mon 2021-10-18 07:14

Saturday I did a daygame and nightgame session.

Daygame
Total: 0/10~15

I went out with 3 friends for daygame and they mentored me. I realized that when I'm interacting with a girl I've never talked to before, my charisma plummets and I become very shy and timid, like I'm seeking permission from the girl to interact with her.

This was actually me being "deregulated", and I didn't realize it was how I was acting when I approach. Even though I don't have a problem going up to a girl now, when I'm up at her, I just want to eject as fast as possible for some reason.

I also reflected on some of my past interactions and realized I "switch back" into my normal self when e.g. a girl accepts an instadate. Now that I know she's "already attracted to me", it takes a lot of the pressure off of me and I start having my usual energy and expressiveness. I also enjoy going on dates and haven't felt nervous on any of them either. My big issue is being timid on the approach, because I'm too "scared" of the girl disapproving of me.

Notes
For daygame in America, treating the approach like a date and having a longer conversation with the girl actually seems to yield a lower ghost rate over text with the exchanges you get, as opposed to pure 20-30 second soup interaction. I got basically all clean rejections, but I think my friend maybe went 3/15, and then got a date the next day with one of the girls he talked to, and this is more commonplace for him.


Nightgame
Total: 0/10

Most of my nightgame interactions were not really notable, just clean rejections. I screened probably half of the girls but idr.

My friend approached some girl during the daytime who asked if he was a dating coach. The girl said that her boyfriend is a dating coach and my friend gave off dating coach vibes.

At 2:00am, he runs into this same girl at some club, this time with her boyfriend. I join him. Turns out her boyfriend was @Rags2Bitches who recognized me. 1 in a million interaction haha.

Mon 2021-10-18 17:22

My friend and I woke up late, and then he had some errands to do, and by the time we reached our daygame spot he crashed on the couch so I did a brief solo daygame session.

Also did a solo session at night since he had a plate over.

Daygame
Total: 0/10~15
I deliberately told myself not to go for the contact exchange at any point in my approaches today, as it's a way to expedite closing the interaction due to my innate desire to flee during an approach. Also focused on asking girls some questions, making sure I was speaking slowly, and not resorting to a bunch of babble.

I also need to work on coming off as more confident and less shy, but I think that will come in time as I learn how to embrace tension during my interactions and building some initial connections with girls during a daygame approach. I did notice that as the interaction progressed, I became more animated and charismatic, so now I just need to keep doing more approaches this way so the difference in my "frame" between the opener and the middle is reduced.

Basically, I was playing some variant of "nervous guy game".

Early in the session I got some hard deflections/girls running away, but towards the end it balanced out with more leveled out interactions.

Notable approaches
Girl jumps back when I merely say "hey" to her from behind and acts like it's a big deal. I said "ah, sorry to scare you haha" and it leveled out but declined with bf. I didn't like this interaction because it was my first approach and getting an exaggerated reaction that early psyched me out, and I just autopiloted to my soup approach style.
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I approach a girl whom one of us approached yesterday. I didn't realize it and she was like "I don't know why you guys are going around doing this" and walked off. I just reacted zero and stood still and watched her walk off for a few seconds.
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Since I still need to deregulate during the interaction, my best deregulation for now ended up being just talking about how I'm not from Austin and I'm trying to work on talking to girls. These are kind of meta-approaches, and I did probably 2 or 3 of these. Plus it kind of works on girls who already have a boyfriend because I can just practice interacting anyway instead of ejecting. I might do this with every girl who turns me down this way.
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Went through my questions and some interaction, didn't default to my "story" and told a girl we should go to dinner together since that's where she was heading. Declined, but I think this was my best approach and probably a good reference for future approaches. I still want to ask for instadates if possible, especially if I have good logistics.


Nightgame
Total: 0/4, 1 kiss
First approach was the same as my daygame strategy. Opened 2 girls who were eating at a bar. Told me she had a boyfriend but used this as an opportunity again to practice interaction, and I went through some questions on the girl, and then closed out after a few minutes.

Then I went to this super poppin' club but felt a lot of anxiety to approach anyone so I just sat down and played hawk mode (observing interactions, and seeing if anything unfolds). Saw yet another interaction go from kinda zero to close dancing, to making out, and more dancing, and then deeper making out, rinse and repeat. They sat next to me and I heard the guy trying to pull, but she declined with "I have to go home tonight", so he just kept dancing and making out with her. Eventually after an hour, I saw them leaving together. I don't know if that means he actually pulled but who knows. This is pretty surreal to me because all of my nightgame interactions are so fast because I haven't fully embraced tension, while this guy is really escalating/deescalating and stayed persistent and got a (potential) pull. It was pretty world class, but it seems like this is normal in Austin. This just further emphasizes my recent realization that I need to start embracing tension during interactions and seeing it as a GOOD thing, like I had to with rejection. I saw other similar interactions (though not the entire thing), and more people in Austin seem to be DTF as opposed to Nashville's Broadway based on my observation.
I ended up not doing any approaches here, but a gay dude screened me (kept touching my hand, trying to pull me into his circle, acting flirty, etc). So I ghosted him..................................... now I see why girls have so much fun ghosting dudes. Also decided I need to stop whining about hating the music and Shazam'd a bunch of the tunes that were being played. I'm gonna listen to them later and try to get into it, and I think this will help me a lot with nightgame so I can vibe better.

Was gonna go home, but the area by the apartment suddenly started gaining a lot of traffic at around 1:00am. So decided just to continue.

Girl kinda came up to me and tried to tell me something, so I was like lol okay easy screen. Started really getting physical with her within like 30 seconds and then went for a kiss really fast. We kissed for like 2 seconds but she pulled back like WTF????? I went for it again and she deflected. Decided in the spirit of embracing tension and learning how to disengage, that I pull away from her entirely. Waited a second and then took her hand like "let's dance". She danced with me for a bit and I twirled her as per standard, then went for the waist but she scurried off like a rodent.

Approached/screened some other girl somewhere else, instantly declined with boyfriend. Was kinda loud so I didn't feel like doing my "nervous guy game" strat, plus I was feeling pretty confident and aggressive so I ejected.

Then I walk out and this random short black British guy comes up to me, kinda plastered like "ay bruv dey not lettin me in" and im like "why not, you dont have an ID?" "ya i got an ID but dey not lettin me in cause of my accent bruv". I'm like, "thats fucking bullshit, come on lets go somewhere. get your ID out, point to your DOB, and shut the fuck up to the bouncer". So I dragged him with me somewhere and he followed. Bouncer was flirting with some girls and wasn't paying attention so the dude just walked in. I was trying to get my ID out like a good boy, but the bouncer was way too distracted so I just walked in too. Told him "lets get some girls bro" and we split off.

Saw some girls having way too much fun and they broke their hookah setup. One girl walked out of their booth and I approached/screened her like "having too much fun?" she was like "ya lolz" and brought me back to her booth, and pushed me on her friend. Friend was hotter than the girl I opened. We were dancing for a whole minute and twirled each other and was about to go for her waist, when this bigass dude shows up like "yo you gotta get outta here". I was like uh ok and stepped out of the booth when suddenly another guy comes up and pushes my ass out of the joint. Saw me off with a sassy "bye!". Tried to say "that wasnt my hookah", but it was whatever haha.

Why do I keep getting kicked out of places lmaooooo



As I was writing this, a guy and a girl in this unit started talking to me, and they were talking about music and how they know the scene here, and since I REALLY want to get into the EDM/rave scene, I exchanged contacts with them and they said to hit them up at some point. I'm actually considering leaving Nashville next month and moving here and I told them that so, in addition to my cold approach friends, I have these friends too. Somehow I already have a larger social circle in Austin within 3 days than I have in Chattanooga (1yr) + Nashville (3wks) combined??? Anyway this seems like the place I need to be and I have the freedom to do it.

Tue 2021-10-19 15:04

Mostly uneventful day in Austin as my friend and I both woke up late again and after our gym workout, he had some errands to do so I ended up just meeting for dinner with a co-worker who lives there and flying back.

Gym
Bench Press 5x5 - 165x5/165x5/165x5/165x5/165x4(failed)
DB Seated Shoulder Press 5xfailure - 25x12/25x12/25x10/25x10/25x8
Dips - 10/10/10/10/9/2


I'm definitely moving to Austin next month. Nashville is alright, but I've been doing stuff solo this whole time and as a early beginner, I'm playing on hard mode. In Austin, I met a bunch of guys who go out and approach and people in the music scene. I actually exchanged with my Uber driver since he's a rapper and I think I want to start producing for amateur rappers as a side hobby to improve with writing music. And at night, I see more guys trying to hook up with girls than I do in Nashville. So it's the place to be if I want to accelerate my improvement.

Here's my plan for the next few weeks:
- Finish application for Japanese language exchange school since I wanna move there next year lol
- Practice approaching in Nashville with the advice given to me from my friend and the other guys who approach.
- Stop being a lazy bum and go out solo at night more regularly.
- Listen and start vibing with the music I Shazam'd in Austin so I can more easily get into a good mood since the dance floor is a great place to pull. Plus I don't have to say a word to girls hahah.
- Continue changing my wardrobe and improving my style. @Rags2Bitches recommended me some boots so I'm gonna buy those.
- Take better Tinder pics with my updated style.
- Nov 1: Go back to Chattanooga and sell/get rid of all my junk within 2 days.
- Nov 4: Drive to Austin, TX, just check into a hostel. My friend said the building he lives at has monthly rent so I'll rent a unit in the same building, plus it's right in the middle of where all the good nightgame is so amazing logistics.

Wed 2021-10-20 08:43
lacroix wrote:
Wed 2021-10-20 04:34
That's really awesome dude! Wish I could just up and move to another state like that. Are you going to miss Nashville, or is it just pretty much worse in most ways?
I like Nashville, but I think I'd be better off in Austin. I know I'm not really good at doing things completely solo, especially if I'm new. On the other hand, I'm extremely receptive to peer pressure, for better or for worse. So I figured I'd use this to my advantage and surround myself with people who are living a lifestyle I'd like to have.
Wed 2021-10-20 16:32

Back in Nashville, had an annoying start to my morning with some errands. Otherwise another uneventful and distracted day but just posting to keep this log honest.

Food
Chick-fil-A Spicy Deluxe Chicken Sandwich, chips, and 12 chicken nuggets
2/3 of a large pizza

365 project

Thu 2021-10-21 14:35
Food
2/3 of a 14" pizza
40g protein shake

Gym
Deadlift - 135x10/215x5/285x3(failed)/275x5
Pullups - 30x5/30x5(bad last rep)/27.5x5(bad last rep)/0x6/0x6
DB Rows - 50x12/50x12/50x11L,50x12R - think i lost grip in my left hand from last weekend
Cable Rows - 70x10/70x10/85x10

I felt really weak today for some reason. Probably because I slipped on my diet in Austin. Hopefully this balances out next workout.

Daygame
Total: 0/5 in ~1h
Decided to approach on the side streets of Vanderbilt again.

First approach was a really shy girl on her work break, I ended up rushing the contact exchange and I'm not really happy with this approach.
Third approach I actually had a ~2min conversation with the girl, she was on her way to meet friends to see a movie. Talked with her a bit about the movie, and then switched to asking her if she went to Vanderbilt. Ultimately declined with bf. I feel like I could have extended the conversation a bit more (not so she would exchange with me, but just for my own practice).
Rest were instant deflections (not aggressive).

Only did 5 approaches because I went out a bit late (6:00pm) and it dies pretty quickly. I pussed out on an asian duo and some other girls, so I probably could have done 8~10 approaches. This is probably just from not approaching lately and realizing I need to actually have a brief conversation with the girl instead of just doing a 20 second robotic approach. Also first time I didn't run into a repeat customer (but I only did 5 approaches)

Nightgame
Didn't actually go out, but started listening to a playlist @Rags2Bitches sent me on Spotify. This music is going to take a lot of getting used to, but I'm starting to find certain elements I like from the various songs. Also it would be good just to know the songs in general.

I really appreciate that he's going out of his way to give me tips and advice since we had that 1 in a million encounter in Austin.
Sat 2021-10-23 17:57

Didn't post yesterday because I was kind of demotivated (I have been getting more work done lately so that's good I guess?). Did 0/2 for approaches

Today I did 5/9 in about an hour of actual game, but I spent more time driving around trying to find places to approach. 6 of the approaches were at the mall but it was low volume and I saw a lot of security so I only spent like 20 minutes.

Notable approaches
I compliment qtpi mixed chick with crazy poofy afro hair and she compliments me back. We chat for a little bit but she says she's off to work. I tell her well we should hang out some other time when you're not busy. She says in an extremely quiet voice that she has a boyfriend, but I decide to push anyway and she's like "what's your insta?" I tell her I don't have one. She then voluntarily says "well I'm not a cheater or anything but I'll give you my number....". She puts it in "incorrectly" at first, and I shoot my name to her and she doesn't get my text. Then she fixes the number and got my message.
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Really hot black chick coming down escalator at whole foods. I open her when she reaches the bottom. I lead her outside a bit because there's some ppl in the way and she follows. Short convo, exchanged.


My roommate invited me to a house party so I went. All the girls came with their boyfriends. I texted all my exchanges while I was at the party to see if anyone was down but no responses as per standard. Couch was cozy af tho and I fell asleep to the ambient conversation and cinnamon candles. I wake up later and my friend tells me the only single girl who showed up already left. lol rip.

Mon 2021-10-25 13:03

I hung out with my roommate and his gf yesterday and they took me to an area I didn't know existed with some volume. So I approached there today.

Total: 1/6 + 1 instadate

I could have done 10 in the time I was out and I should have gone out earlier.

The instadate was my first approach. We chatted for a minute and then I just said "I'll show you around this area and we'll go to some coffee shop". She accepted and we walked and continued chatting for around 5 minutes when this random guy shows up like "[name]????" I didn't see what her reaction was but then he was like "what are you doing with him?????" I ended up saying nothing, and then he told me to shoo, so I just left. I probably could have butted in like "we're going to get coffee" and continued it, but the moment happened so quickly and I was kind of stunned. I think my audacity has plummeted since I haven't been approaching lately.

Did another 5 approaches, nothing really notable.

I also wore my boots with height inserts today. So I think I was actually 5'9"~5'10" haha. Hard to walk in but I noticed that I would look at girls from afar thinking they would be taller than I, only to realize I tower over them.

Think I'm going to have to plan out my sessions in advance between multiple places if I want to get decent volume in.

Thu 2021-10-28 15:15

1/7 at night

Physical contact with most of the girls. I also let girls walk away if they didn't want to engage in a conversation in the street instead of chasing them. Just stood there after a minute of talking and if they kept speedwalking I let them go.

I talked with the one receptive girl for a few mins, put my arm around her after I ran out of things to say and continued talking. Actually, this is the first time I was able to do that; usually I just immediately put my arm around girls or I talk with them but have too much anxiety to put my arm around her. A friend told me when I was in Austin "when you run out of things to say, escalate", and I applied it here. Also she was periodically moving away to her friends so I decided to just let go, and she kept coming back and I resumed having my arm around her.

Random dude in the group gave me a fireball shot. Then the girl went to go sit with her girlfriends at a table. Maybe I should have tried to pull her from there but I ended up just going up to her for a few more minutes and then getting her number. Probably a rookie error, I'm not really sure.

Also I got some Tinder pics taken. I'll post them later.

EDIT: Just told one of my friends about the receptive girl tonight. Big point of value is that escalation isn't only physical, it's also location. I remember GLL saying that too. I think I could have chatted with the girl for a few minutes after going to her table and then been like, "let's go to the dance floor", or "I'm gonna grab a water come with" and continued the interaction. I keep going for numbers too early, so I need to restrain myself from asking for the number.

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