brown shogun classic: 2021-2023

AskTheDom wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-08-12 18:58

You can do physical escalation because if you don't it's easy to fall into the platonic/bf box

I think I already touch girls here and there if she's sitting next to me, especially "incidentally". But I don't know how to talk "sexually" and I'm not nearly aggressive enough.

What would you recommend to get me out of the "platonic/bf" box? I know my pre-existing "experience" with girls means my comfort zone is just generic/boring chat.

Holden wrote: ↑

Fri 2022-08-12 19:14

Honestly I'd just ignore what she says and go for the lay every time we meet up.

Thanks. I think I'll do option #3 then, have us meet up as usual and if she shows up go for the lay. Otherwise if I still don't get the lay, just switch to option #4 and cease contact.

And if she doesn't meet up again, then it'll be the consequences of the blunder and I'll have to eat it.

I'm probably "getting away" with so much regarding this chick because she hasn't discovered how many options she has yet.

Thanks for the mindset advice @Manly Cockfellow

At first I wasn't sure how to effectively utilize your comment as I typically don't respond to only "support" and "cheerleading".

But I often get "stuck" when I don't know what to do and overanalyze, like many guys.

Combining the mindset @Holden said with yours of thinking "what would an elite man do" would probably properly guide me through many unknown situations. Part of the trouble is that I don't even know what an "elite man" would do in many situations, but I'm sure it's a good enough guiding principle to get me through many hoops. And worst case scenario I can just be like "what would Andrew Tate do" or "what would Troy do"

I'm an elite man.

Manly Cockfellow wrote: ↑

Mon 2022-08-15 20:23

I want you to get on your knees like a good girl and suck my cock.

haha, I'm already very commanding in the bedroom, like borderline autist. I'm like "take it off" "bend over" "suck my dick".

ever since my first lay i don't think I've asked a girl a single time anything, i just steamroll through.

Manly Cockfellow wrote: ↑

Mon 2022-08-15 20:23

I wouldn't worry about some other elite man

this isn't a matter of "worrying about some other elite man", it's just a last ditch mindset when i get personally stuck in the moment. it's helped me before anyway

Manly Cockfellow wrote: ↑

Mon 2022-08-15 20:23

I also try to always make sure they know they have the option to stop things no matter what stage of sex we're at, and that we never need to have sex if they aren't up for it. This usually has the wonderful effect of making them feel even more safe and comfortable with me, which not only almost always leads to sex, but usually leads to WAY BETTER SEX!

This is actually my biggest weak point. I'm absolutely terrible at "comfort" type calibrations, even though the few times I can fake it (e.g. we're not gonna have sex), the girl ends up being more passionately into me.

Applies out of the bedroom too, say on approaches when I can read the girl is very unsure/scared of me.

My "correction" for this ends up being "convincing" them into telling me no or something.
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I don't know if there's a certain overarching mindset I'm missing or what. All I can think of is something like being "genuinely okay with not getting an outcome" but on the other hand that seems to get me either complacent or defeatist.

I'm going to bring back the video logs.

I was revisiting my old log posts from a year ago and can observe the veritable change in my vibe since then, thanks to the videos.

Of course, reading and writing text is more efficient so like that time, I'll be also writing accompanying text.

But I think it's more real to see me actually talk. Plus I need to improve my voice.

Anyway, had a date on Wednesday afternoon and then Thursday evening.

Date with unattractive black girl


I met up with a black chick who turned out to look worse and fatter than her pics on Tinder. But since I'm just trying to get lays and experience, and maybe she'll be feminine and submissive and it'll override her looks, I rolled with the date.

We entered the taco place and she ordered a water while I ordered a prickly pear agua fresca, because I like fruity drinks.

Standard conversation, and then I went for my "let's listen to my music at my place" pull after around 20 minutes.

oh we're going pLAcEs now??!!!?!?!!
yes we're going to listen to my music at my place
...oh ok

We entered my room and I shut the door. She immediately asked if she could get comfortable on my bed, which I thought was a good sign.

Then I brought over my laptop and showed her 2 of my songs in the project files.

Then I showed her a song I didn't write, and then put on my standard escalation album.

Got the makeout pretty easily, but then I was kneeling and craned over her in an uncomfortable position.

So I lie down and told her to lie down as well. but,,,

no i'm good here
it's more comfortable here, come lie down
no i'm comfortable here

uhhhh.....ok

So we listened to some more music. Not knowing what else to do, I went for the makeout again, got it, and then did the same thing with the lying down. And she rejected it again.

I tried a third time to makeout, and this time

have you had a girlfriend before?
yeah i had one in high school and one in college. what about you. not a girlfriend ofc
haha yeah, i've not had a girlfriend. but i haven't had a boyfriend yet
you have like all this pent up energy...

I ignored it and chilled.

you keep trying to sneak attack me
oh okay, LeT's KiSs
wow, you're learning!

That super turned me off but we made out again for a bit, this time I tried to get into her more to see if she would start cracking if I tried to make do with being uncomfortable and craned over her.

Softly grabbed her neck to fake choke her, various parts of her body.

Then I went for her breasts over her shirt and she batted my hand away.

I went for her waist and then disengaged.

At some point,

i'm good with the kissing, but it seems like you want more
yeah obviously i do. but we can just end it if you're good with the kissing
yeah actually

So I walked her out to the bottom of the elevator, asked if she was good, and then let her walk off to her car.


Date with cute Indian chick


This is the first time I've gone on a date with an Indian girl, strange enough. She had a completely American accent like I do.

I showed up 3-5 minutes after she did. We had a standard chat for 20 mins and then go for the pull. She declines with "i'm not tryna go to your place"

Now in the past, I would have been pushy about the pull and tried multple "tactics" to get her to agree. Check out this date where I pushed ~15x in an attempt to get the girl back

I started dialing it down though. The last time I was in a similar situation , I had even only gone for the pull 3 times, spread out over probably an hour. I even thought the date ended on a "good note".

However, when I tried to pitch a second date, I was met with this:

So my thought going forward was, oh if she doesn't go for the pull, I should end the date because that will increase the chance I get a second date, I can end the date on a good note, and then she doesn't think I' being overly desperate.

ok let's end it for today then
ok

I paid for the drinks, engaged in 5 more minutes of chat while I waited for the bartender to take the check.

Then I got up and started to leave and told the girl let's go, to come with. My intention was to just walk her back to her car and e.g. talk about meeting up again and etc.

But to my surprise:
i'll just stay here actually

I thought that was bizarre. She wants to just stay here? uh...ok i guess

Now literally any normal person will read the above report and be like "seems like you didn't like the girl?" "why did you just end the date?" "you came off as showing you only wanted sex"

That wasn't even what I thought though, before I had messaged my group chats. I was thinking, well that went pretty well. She didn't want to pull on the first date, and I didn't push for it multiple times so I should be able to get a second date.

However , regardless of my intentions, and "to my shock", immediately ending the date after a pull rejection comes off as desperate as "pushing 20x for the pull". I explained above what I actually thought, but the universe doesn't care about "what you think".

Takeaways
It's continually frustrating making the kinds of mistakes that are like "if you were just a fucking normal person, this wouldn't even be how you would fuck up". It really hits me right in the insecurities I have regarding "not feeling like I belong in this world" and generally just feeling like a total fucking alien. As in, "socially obvious" things continue to be complete news to me.

And then I feel like every normie asshole shows up and gets a rush out of telling me off about how much of an alien I am and I "deserved" to get burned. People who are typically timid show up all of a sudden and start acting hyper-aggressive at me being socially retarded.

^that's a bit of an emotional ramble. But ultimately it is true. My "intentions" don't matter insofar as they're not getting me the result. And it's repeatedly the case that my actions are not congruent with my actions, mainly out of lack of awareness.

I could write a 2000 word post about how my zero empathy and lack of social awareness has continually hurt me in dating, but I'll save it for another time. For now, it's basically going to be lots of grinding, going through dates, getting feedback on the dates, to just learn all the different optimal things to do to get what I want.

Like the escorts 2 months ago, this whole "no empathy or care for other people and no social awareness" was something I was made aware of months ago and knew it was dampening my progress, but I didn't "get to it" until now. Not to mention I've seen many guys have the "opposite" problem where they are too empathetic to girls and end up becoming doormats as a result. So I had an existing resistance towards it.

But now that I've gotten burned by fucking up with a cute girl I actually liked, and even thought the date went "well", it hit me in a way like never before.

My next log post will be posting the aforementioned date stack I am writing up in order to have dates that are conducive to not only pulling and hooking up, but getting second dates if the girl does not pull/hook up on the first date. I will be writing it, running it through Troy, and then I'll post it.

King Approach wrote: ↑

Sat 2022-08-20 08:29

Voldemort's group would have been cheering you on for walking out on the date. In fact, they would have been like "I would have just walked off immediately after she said no without saying anything".

Looking back, not the best strategy perhaps.

Honestly they probably would have said I was being too "beta" by making the date "too long" (it was 20 minutes and not 7)

And they would have said I wasn't "forward enough" since I only went for the pull once. But I guess it was unintentionally "cutthroat" rather than restrained.

I have to emphasize that I didn't even see this as "walking out on the date". I straight up thought I was being normal , not going for the pull multiple times and "setting my boundaries" normally by just ending the date on the pull rejection.

It's funny that even though I thoroughly explained that in both video and text , someone still came to my log and thought I was trying to walk out on the date.

That just shows how unaware I was and how incongruent the action (ending date immediately on pull rejection) was with my intention (keeping the vibe good so I could get a second date with a girl I enjoyed meeting).

Big lesson here is that the universe doesn't care about your "intentions and mindset". What counts are the actual actions and decisions you make, and it's important to be aware that your actions are congruent with your intentions. And that your intuition might be completely wrong with deriving an action it thinks would be congruent with your intentions.

Had a cute 19yo black chick come straight to crib from an online sesh tonight.

I thought it was going to be like my second lay , where it's just an immediately dtf girl but....

My response was a suggestion from one of my group chats. I wasn't sure if I should still invite her over or not but I was told this could just be a test and to invite her over anyway.

We sat on my balcony and sipped coconut rum because I'm Indian and chatted for 10-15 minutes.

My mindset during the chat was "okay, let's learn as much as possible about this girl and try to get her to open up about herself." I asked about her background and tried to do "deep"-ish conversation. I could have done better tbh instead of jumping topics but I'll remember it for next time. depth first, not breadth first.

Then I did my standard "let's listen to my music in my room" pull. She agreed, so we took another shot of coconut rum and headed to my room.

I played 3 of my songs, then I put on a different album than I normally do for escalation. Also the pillows were oriented correctly this time.

I got the makeout instantly and she was into it. Then I told her to lie down, but...

what are we going to do
we're just going to cuddle

She nestled her head onto my chest and we talked some more, about animals and how she likes animals or something.

Then I went for the makeout again and got it. But after a minute or so she disengaged and cuddled again.

More talking.

Then makeout again. This time I decided to really get into it and she reciprocated. I put my hand over her neck, tongue kissing, sucking/biting her lip etc.

But she disengaged again like "I have to go now I think". So I was like ok and she got up and started playing on her phone. She was taking way too long fiddling with her phone so I told her she should stay for 10 more minutes. She agreed and cuddled into me again.

I put her hand over my chest and rubbed it a little bit, and she started feeling my chest up. Then I slowly unbuttoned my shirt and put her hand on my bare chest and she felt that up too.

I attempted to go down and makeout with her again but she immediately deflected and said "ok it's been 10 minutes, I think I'm going to go now"

Walked her down to the first floor, projected meeting up for a drinks second date across the street. She said she'll be free Wednesday evening but I'll correspond with her over text about it. Then she went home in an Uber.

Thoughts
This is yet another instance of "guys, I think the date vibes were good, I liked the girl", but based on past experiences, she could very well be aggressively unreceptive when I try to probe meeting up for a second date.

Hopefully nothing I did above was "weird" this time and she comes out again.

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First of all,
I have been incorrectly reporting this chick's height as 6'3".

She's not 6'3".
hey, by the way, you never asked how tall i was...
She's 6'5 " . I'm 5'5" btw.

This story has many more kickers than just that, so buckle up.

The date
Rather than inviting her straight-to-crib like I had done for the previous two meetups, I had decided to actually take her out on a little date before bringing her back to my place. I explain at the end of this post in more detail why, but in short, I thought this would be the optimal calibration to get me either laid or feel fine dropping her, given that she's a virgin and has little experience with guys.

And in general, I'm trying to work on actually giving value to girls, instead of autistically extracting what I want out of them.

I planned to take us to a little skeeball-bowling alley-arcade type place a few blocks from my place.

Now here's a kicker, she's 20, about to turn 21 in less than 2 weeks. The bowling place is 21+ after 8:00pm. We arrive at 8:03pm .

and the bouncer won't let us in

Real slim margins, but ultimately no cigar.

Fortunately, this girl is quite the small town country girl and hasn't been to the city much, so I change plans and tell her we will walk through this bougie city district she's never seen.

With the mindset of providing this girl value beyond sex, I had decided to get her to open up more about her interests and study to become a fashion designer because she likes being girly and designing clothes for tall girls. Teased her a little bit that she could make clothes for drag queens too. The conversation was at least 70% about her as we walked through the district.

I see an ice cream shop and say we'll go get ice cream now. I order a strawberry ice cream because I like fruit flavors, and she orders a chocolate mousse trap.

We sit outside on a bench and keep chatting. She says she wants to go to the Cheesecake Factory one day so I use the low-hanging fruit opportunity to future project that I'll take her there sometime and that I've been there plenty.


The wine
Then I drive us back to my apartment.

I wanted us to have shots of coconut rum because I'm Indian, however Troy had stolen it all with his girl.......the fucker...........................

We had some wine so I decided we will drink that. However, I only have one Walmart plastic cup and a Dasani water bottle...

I struggle to uncork the bottle, and then the wine cataclysmically explodes all over the floor. Real smooth.

I pour us wine, and then we instantly down it because it's fucking gross wine. Then I clean up the mess and then we head to the bedroom. Usually you'd have to go to the bedroom to make a mess first, but I guess there was some premature ejaculation here.


The bedroom
I show her progress on a song I had started in her presence immediately after I finished exploding all over her face the last time she was over.

Then I put on Maxwell - Urban Hang Suite , which was the new escalation album I had decided to use from the straight-to-crib chick from last night.

From there it was just standard escalation of making out, sucking her titties, having her stroke my cock etc. The pillows were oriented the opposite direction than I normally have them because she's 6'5".

I actually managed to undo her bra myself so this is the first time I've unhooked a chick's bra LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, she's doing things that I had previously taught her that I liked with less instruction from me (such as, I will mildly guide her hand over my pants, and she will start just stroking my dick and rubbing it). I told her to undo my jeans and eventually go into my underwear, as I keep making out with her because having a girl undo my pants turns me on.

I get up over her and continue fooling around. I start fingering her a little bit, but she's still hyper -sensitive. Eventually I tell her to spread her legs.

why
i'm gonna put it in

I was just fucking hyper-direct this time.

no

I gave her a weird look and then went back to making out with her again.
I try again, this time telling her to bend over. She's like i'm not gonna do that...

Now, I have to reiterate again that this girl is 6'5". I'm 5'5". Missionary is a logistical impossibility.

So I prop her bum on two pillows and try to navigate my cock into her pussy. But I've found another problem:
her pussy is like one inch from her asshole

So me kneeling while having her legs propped up is a no-go.
I attempt to stand on the side of the bed and move her legs off of the side with her bum still propped on the two pillows, and that doesn't work either.
Finally, I tell her she's going to have to bend over. This time she complies, likely realizing that it's going to be impossible otherwise.
I tell her to put her ass up high, and I straddle my legs over her right leg. She's like grabbing my pillows tightly.
I have like 12 missed thrusts trying to navigate my cock into her pussy, and accidentally wrong-holing a few times...

and then
and THEN

I GET ONE THRUST

She gasps and squirms away from my cock almost instantly but we did it!!!!!!!!! lay 4/20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also she's officially no longer a virgin!


The coming
are u okay
ur doing great
...yeah im fine

I fumble around again to navigate my cock into her pussy. I get it in again, and this time she squeals a little bit but manages to stay put. I have to essentially play doctor and reassure her it's ok and she's doing great.

her pussy is so fucking tight .
GORILLA GRIP

she's also soaked!

I literally do like maybe 3 or 4 thrusts

I can't take it. I'm literally about to explode. I try to hold it in as much as possible.

but i cant fucking take it
i rapidly pull out and shoot jets all over her inner thighs and bum.

OMG did you come inside????????????
lol no ur good

I start making out with her again, cuddle, suck on her tittles
instantly rock hard!

I have her give me a handjob and a blowjob.

have her suck my finger while she jerks me off. this is my degenerate fetish guys.
@Crimson likes to lick feet, and @goldfish likes to eat ass.
I like girls sucking on my fingers and thumb

I tell her to put her ass up high again, mis-thrust like 8 times and then finally get it in once more.

I know I got it in again because
1. i feel like i'm going to instantly come
2. she squeals

I literally do 3 thrusts

I manage to hold in what would have been another massive orgasm by instantly pulling out and making out with her.

I stick it back in, and do literally 2 more thrusts, and then hold it in her as I am resisting every urge to just blast inside of her.

Then I push myself a bit. I do.....holy shit.... 5 thrusts this time.

i can't fucking take it
can't take this fucking shit

i pull out again, hold my hand over my super soaker and massively ejaculate into my hand.

so i've done not more than 10, maybe 15 thrusts into this chick over the span of 8 minutes tops and i've already come twice.

we cuddle for a bit and that's when she asks me
hey, by the way, you never asked how tall i was...
lol ok how tall are u
i'm 6'5"

lol!!!!!!!!!!!! what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha i guessed u were 6'3" tbh. i'm 5'5" btw


now here's a real kicker
Suddenly my bathroom door opens.

hey! wrong room

The door doesn't shut and a person walks in.

hey!! wrong room

I had mentioned earlier that Troy had a girl over and they stole my coconut rum.

Troy and I share a bathroom with doors leading into each of our rooms.

hey!!! wrong room, go back to the other room!

It's some ghetto af black woman who had just steamrolled and come into my room, despite my loud verbal objections.

She blankly looks around my room.

what are you doing this is not the right room
*incoherent babbling and pointing*

I can't understand her. My chick and I are completely nude in bed and my girl is trying to cover up her chest with her arms.

She points at my chick and confuses her for a guy , likely due to the room being dark and her being much larger than I am.

*more incoherent babbling and pointing* him *mumble mumble*
it's her
you need to leave my fucking room right now or i'm going to walk you out. there's the door

Suddenly, the woman snaps back into reality and scurries back into the bathroom/Troy's room.
oh wait...my bad...

i was straight up ready to get out of my bed and escort this creature out of the apartment unit completely nude if she didn't figure it out

my girl was like omfg what is happenin. but i nestled her head on my chest and told her it's all good, this is now going to be a funny story for the future.


we cuddle some more
my sister doesnt know im not coming home lollllllll

i check the bathroom to make sure the troll from above wasn't lurking in the shower or some shit and then escort my chick into the bathroom so she can clean up a bit.


The pizza
My chick says she's hungry so we walk over to Broadway and get some late night pizza.

Then we walk back home and she wants to watch Pea Valley which is some show about black strippers so I throw that onto my laptop and we cuddle while watching that.

this show is about strippers...so idk if ur comfortable with that...
lol it's fine hahah

i literally just fucked this girl and she's asking me if i'm comfortable watching a show about strippers
awwwwwwww


I'm still fucking rock hard

After 2 episodes, I put the laptop away and start escalating on her again.

All the way to having her bent over with her ass up high and me straddled over her leg ready to insert again.

Some missed thrusts and wrong holing later, I get it in again.
I'm thinking, okay I've literally exploded twice less than 2 hours ago, maybe this time I'll last.

I do maybe 18 thrusts and I can't fucking take it.

I have to pull out and shoot jets again.

i cant control myself with you
haha i can see that

INSTANTLY rock hard again.

I get it back in her once more.
Start thrusting.
wait holy shit...i don't have the sudden urge to come

I start trying to go a little faster...
ah...
fuck.................

too much

pull out again and this time i orgasm
with ZERO ejaculate.

i came but nothing came out. i literally ran out of semen.

So recap so far. I've come 4x within maybe 2 hours and less than ~100 thrusts. And the first three had to have been under ~30 thrusts.

BUT I'M STILL HARD

I didn't even go to makeout with her this time. I just stuck it back in again.

I'm cautious, I slowly start thrusting.
wait holy shit...once again i dont have the urge to suddenly orgasm
I start hitting it fast...
wait holy shit...this is normal....

I hit it super fast. holy fuck now we're having sex.

off to the races for me
i start slapping her ass and biting her from behind. playing with her titties and etc. choking her.
she's squealing and moaning constantly.
hahahahahaha yesssssssssss

it took me literally near-instantly coming 3 times, coming after maybe less than 2 minutes a 4th time, and somehow still maintaining an erection to finally properly fuck this girl.

After around ~15 minutes, it starts getting really hot and sweaty so I start to lose my boner a bit so I stop
do u want water lol
yes please

i change clothes, then i solve my rubik's cube a couple times, and then we fall asleep


The morning
We wake up around 9:15am and she's showing me random things on her phone that she likes and etc. Then I go on the fruitless endeavor of attempting to explain what modular synthesis is.

I get hard again, and then escalate. Have her bent over with her ass up high and my legs straddled over her leg ready to fuck.

I'm thinking, okay, we've literally done 5 rounds so far and I should hopefully be out of fucking juice so we should have some proper sex.

LOL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do like maybe 23 thrusts and then can't take it and have to pull out.

I actually manage to not orgasm and hold it in.

This time I decide to do a throwback experience. Have her give me a bj while I stroke her hair and move her head occasionally. She's getting really good at sucking my dick. She's also getting good at giving me a handjob and i have her suck my finger while she jerks me off.

Then I decide to just make out with her while I jerk myself off. Eventually I orgasm and little drops come out.

We clean up, and then I take us out to what was apparently Rather than properly read the description of the place, I was just like oh ok, I'll trust the first Google review I see on the place to guide my decision.

But turns out it's some hyper-bougie fancy restaurant with $30 small plates and bullshit. They have some "brunch taster" which is $55, so I'm like ehhhh fuck it let's just get this for both of us.

It's honestly kinda ehh alright.

But then I get a bill of $132 . what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! turns out it was $55 per person . now there's a kicker!!!!

but i'm so much of a top G hustler baller that i dont give a fuck LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lets spend total $180+ on a chick we slept once with over a night because we can

we walk out of the brunch place

lol we shoulda just gone to ihop
yeah, i would have loved waffle house actually


Takeaways
So now I've had a chance to take chick's virginity. Far-cry experience from the previous three girls I've hooked up with.

I think in terms of enjoyable sex, I actually prefer the girl have a good amount of experience. As in, her pussy isn't so tight it makes me instantly come, and I can focus on doing shit like choking her and fucking her silly.

On the other hand, this girl is going to be a project. I'm glad I've had "amazing sex" before because I at least have a solid baseline for what the standard of sex should be like. But this feels like I picked up a bari sax and I'm trying to figure out how to make it sound good as a clarinet player. It will take some getting used to and I'll have to get better at controlling myself.


Why did I take her on an actual date, rather than inviting her straight-to-crib?
As I reported for our third meetup, she had been worried that I was "just looking for sex" and that she's "not in a rush". I had failed to implement a plan where I only makeout with her and stop there. I couldn't control myself and went for pretty much everything I had done with her already up until that point.

So I was at a crossroads. I don't want to spend more time stalling with this chick, but I don't want to drop her so soon. Especially given that my options are slowly starting to open up, but I have to put in the effort and hustle for it. Essentially, I was evaluating whether I was in a sunk-cost fallacy.

Another event setting the tone for what I needed to do next was from this blunder date I had with a cute Indian chick some days ago. The main learning point for me is that up until that date, I had been viewing my own interactions with girls from a "take take take" perspective, seeing how much I can "take" from girls (e.g. being hyper-pushy in general, not putting in effort to provide value/incentives for girls to spend time with me).

This wasn't intentional on my part, it's just how I've generally operated in the world. I don't have a desire to be "altruistic" or generous to others. That doesn't mean I don't have anything against it. But it's part of a belief I've had where I have no value in the first place, so what would I even have to give? When I mean I'm not "against" giving, if a friend asks me for help, I'll help them to the best of my ability, but I don't "just know" what people want or go out of my way to help others.

Now that I've been clearly gaining more "value" to girls, I've been e.g. getting matches on dating apps. But I still need to view interactions as a value-exchange, rather than "I'm going to get sex out of this girl, yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

That's why I had opted for actually taking her out on a date, rather than straight-to-cribbing again. I was trying to take into consideration that this girl was a virgin, so she doesn't necessarily hyper-value sex itself, but rather the idea of a guy liking her and spending time with her. And I'm sure that's actually "part of the foreplay" for this kind of girl.

This is what I had boiled down the decision tree to:
Essentially, if I straight-to-cribbed, and then got a repeat of dates 1-3 (just fooling around with no lay):
1. I would have been forever wondering "what if I just fucking took her on a date, what if I did something for her instead of just escalating instantly like an autist".
2. She would probably distance herself farther because beyond her just being "my toy", she wouldn't see the point in continuing to see me, and I think taking her out on a date for the theoretical fifth meetup would have been less effective than now.

Fortunately, for both of us, scenario #4 happened so it's likely this is going to be a real plate now.



But I'm not going to go all @ovnidos on everyone because...

THE DEATH OF A MALE IS THE GIRLFRIEND

jk, miss u bro, hope ur havin fun



btw also i'm not inserting my cock into a pussy right this moment so that means...................

FUCK!
I'M A VIRGIN
TIME TO HUSTLE!

i have an unfortunate announcement to make

people on twitter debunked that this story is actually fake.

i'm missing a couple key details and embellishing parts of the story.

so let me come clean:

for example, i'm not 5'5"

I'm actually 5'9"

and the girl isn't 6'5". she's actually 6'0"

and she's actually a trans basketball player.

see more mythbusting of this story here. more details of this story are being taken apart as we speak


i'll come clean myself and debunk one of the details i misrepresented as well.

colgate wrote: ↑

Tue 2022-08-23 03:21

I order a strawberry ice cream because I like fruit flavors,

i said i had ordered strawberry ice cream during the date because i like fruit flavors. well i actually ordered vanilla, and I don't like fruit flavors at all.

i'm sorry for letting everyone on kyil down, but you know we really promote brutal honesty on this forum. so i couldn't cloud my conscience knowing i lied to you guys.

















lol jk!!!!!!!